Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

[wingy]

I will say though that this is a growing problem,in the words of Enoch, there are now more market for illegals which is only natural,as the one's who came legally or illegally become established here then they will be prepared to exploit them, standard's dilute!

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

lol refugee action. enough said

you are clearly brainwashed. if kids getting raped, kidnapped doesn’t open your eyes to this. nothing will

You want me to link the act ffs

and yep im brainwashed to think that no children are being raped in our society other than by young migrants in hotels ffs

There’s an issue that needs resolving it’s not easy and there are no easy binary options here

 

[skybluetony176]

so you’ve got one person saying you can just claim asylum anywhere which was lies

vast majority of illegal immigrants don’t come here via a visa because you don’t need one

they come by boats and then get houses in hotels

as for the black market. that’s why I don’t use any delivery company anymore

You can claim asylum anywhere.

The vast majority do come on a visa and overstay to become illegal. Even with the increased number in boats, overstay of visas still account for about 80% of all illegal immigrants in the UK.

Black market jobs represent about a 10th of the British economy. Your token protest of not using any delivery company is not making the slightest bit of difference.

 

[skybluetony176]

hate to be the person who tells you this

you come here without any documents you should be allowed to step foot on our soil

So with your thinking does that mean I can go Spain without a passport?

If you desire sure. Spain experiences double the amount of people arriving by small boats than us. Italy and Greece too. Hate to be the person who tells you this but this phenomenon of arriving by small boat’s is not exclusive to the UK.

 

[ccfc922]

If you desire sure. Spain experiences double the amount of people arriving by small boats than us. Italy and Greece too. Hate to be the person who tells you this but this phenomenon of arriving by small boat’s is not exclusive to the UK.

How many stay in Spain before moving to Calais to reach the promised land?

 

[wingy]

so you’ve got one person saying you can just claim asylum anywhere which was lies

vast majority of illegal immigrants don’t come here via a visa because you don’t need one

they come by boats and then get houses in hotels

as for the black market. that’s why I don’t use any delivery company anymore

Well that's the best thing,why would you want to simplify your life to that extent anyway and become dependent on getting a food delivery for example that just drains your money for some crap they turn out while stealing all the jobs of our youngsters?
Not being critical of you if that's not what you're referring to, what is it about ten years since these companies started up,no benefit to society at all.

 

[wingy]

If you desire sure. Spain experiences double the amount of people arriving by small boats than us. Italy and Greece too. Hate to be the person who tells you this but this phenomenon of arriving by small boat’s is not exclusive to the UK.

So it's globalised then,to help cater for the helpless young folk who barely do any cooking or shopping,get Uber to do it for you,as they keep reminding me.

 

[skybluetony176]

How many stay in Spain before moving to Calais to reach the promised land?

Clearly not all of them as less than half the numbers arriving in Spain cross to the UK before you even begin to factor in the numbers arriving in Italy or Greece. For comparison Spain also processed about 100k more asylum applications last year than the UK did. I doubt you’ll ever get a definitive number simply by the nature of the situation but indicators clearly show that the majority landing by small boats in mainland Europe are not making a beeline for Calais to cross to the “promised land”.

 

[ccfc922]

Clearly not all of them as less than half the numbers arriving in Spain cross to the UK before you even begin to factor in the numbers arriving in Italy or Greece. For comparison Spain also processed about 100k more asylum applications last year than the UK did. I doubt you’ll ever get a definitive number simply by the nature of the situation but indicators clearly show that the majority landing by small boats in mainland Europe are not making a beeline for Calais to cross to the “promised land”.

Now do the unprocessed

 

[chiefdave]

Just so I'm clear the proposal is that anyone who requests asylum that doesn't have a passport or visa is immediately removed from the country? Through what process and where to doesn't seem to have been mentioned. The only thing I can think of that comes close to allowing that is the Dublin Regulation but that no longer applies since we decided to leave the EU.

Has the been any indication of how we know that it is asylum seekers who have arrived with no documents that have been arrested in any / all of these cases or is that just an assumption?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just so I'm clear the proposal is that anyone who requests asylum that doesn't have a passport or visa is immediately removed from the country? Through what process and where to doesn't seem to have been mentioned. The only thing I can think of that comes close to allowing that is the Dublin Regulation but that no longer applies since we decided to leave the EU.

Has the been any indication of how we know that it is asylum seekers who have arrived with no documents that have been arrested in any / all of these cases or is that just an assumption?

Simple answers to complex problems how hard can it be eh

 

[skybluetony176]

Now do the unprocessed

Based on what exactly? Spain processed more than landed in 2024. Same is true for Italy and Greece for that matter. Granted they’re not the only countries that have boat landings in mainland Europe but we’re really only getting the dregs.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

just in case you missed it
Do you want to discuss boring politics?

yes it is easy. You send them back to the last country they came from

If you come via illegal channels and have no documents then you get returned immediately

And how do you prove what country they came from? If they're on a small boat they could literally come from anywhere with a coastline and that country will undoubtedly dispute it.

And what's to stop those on small boats just floating out a bit into the sea off Calais, getting caught by French border control and then claiming they came on the boat from England. The French could then send them to us because that's supposedly the last country they came from.

It's really not that simple.

 

[skybluetony176]

It’s just a shame we left the Dublin arrangement in December 2020. It’s no coincidence that that numbers trebled the following year and have continued to climb ever since. If you’re looking for someone to blame blame the politicians who insisted we left that arrangement. Bloody Starmer… no wait, it wasn’t him. Bloody Khan… no wait, it wasn’t him either. Bloody lefty liberal, wokeraty… nope, not them either. Mmmm, I wonder who it could have been? I’ll give you a clue. They didn’t write on the side of a bus let’s leave the Dublin arrangement, that will make it near impossible to send people arriving by boats straight back, thus acting as a deterrent to attempt the journey in the first place leaving us lumbered with them and unlike us trafficking gangs are smart enough to understand that and can use it as a marketing tool.

 

[PVA]

lol refugee action. enough said

You can't just say 'lol refugee action' when the source you provided is an anti immigration think tank. If you do then you can't complain when others dismiss your source out of hand.

Although that chart about rate of sexual offences per nationality seems to be made up, at least for Afghans anyway.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Left wing government update

 

[PVA]

Left wing government update

Left wing twitter update:


"A source close to the homelessness minister said it had been a fixed-term contract and that the house had been put up for sale while the tenants were there.

They said the tenants had been told they could stay on a rolling basis while the house was on the market, but they had chosen to go.

The i Paper said it had also been told the house was only re-listed as a rental because it had not sold."


How incredibly clickbaity from the i Paper. That's absolute shithouse stuff from them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Left wing twitter update:


"A source close to the homelessness minister said it had been a fixed-term contract and that the house had been put up for sale while the tenants were there.

They said the tenants had been told they could stay on a rolling basis while the house was on the market, but they had chosen to go.

The i Paper said it had also been told the house was only re-listed as a rental because it had not sold."


How incredibly clickbaity from the i Paper. That's absolute shithouse stuff from them.

Is landlordism a left wing position

 

[PVA]

Is landlordism a left wing position

Oh it's the fact she's a landlord that you're upset with, not the contents of the article?

I don't know much about her but I'm sure there's been people further left than her renting out properties.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh it's the fact she's a landlord that you're upset with, not the contents of the article?

I don't know much about her but I'm sure there's been people further left than her renting out properties.

That's ok then

 

[PVA]

That's ok then

Just funny how it's only now you've got a problem with it, but were presumably happy to look the other way when your guys did it.

 

[shmmeee]

Tired: Gaining power and changing the law in favour of renters

Inspired: making endless TikToks about how you hate landlords

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tired: Gaining power and changing the law in favour of renters

Inspired: making endless TikToks about how you hate landlords

Playing around the edges of landlordism, the third way

 

[shmmeee]

Playing around the edges of landlordism, the third way

Not sure you get much more “round the edges” than never getting anywhere near government.

 

[Grendel]

That's ok then

It would seem impossible she can remain in post as the media are now circling round her

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not sure you get much more “round the edges” than never getting anywhere near government.

This lot won’t be anywhere near government after the next election. You, PVA and my Tory friend are the only people I’ve seen thinking they’re doing a good job.

 

[shmmeee]

This lot won’t be anywhere near government after the next election. You, PVA and my Tory friend are the only people I’ve seen thinking they’re doing a good job.

Im sure Zarah Sultana PM is just around the corner.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im sure Zarah Sultana PM is just around the corner.

She clearly isn’t, but you have gone from saying ‘Starmer will do left wing stuff when he gets elected’ to ‘he’s front loading the bad stuff’ to well, whatever this is. He’s pissing away the chance of a generation in the name of self imposed deficit pinching, and managing to make Labour unpopular with just about every demographic.

 

[shmmeee]

She clearly isn’t, but you have gone from saying ‘Starmer will do left wing stuff when he gets elected’ to ‘he’s front loading the bad stuff’ to well, whatever this is. He’s pissing away the chance of a generation in the name of self imposed deficit pinching, and managing to make Labour unpopular with just about every demographic.

I think you’ll find I was saying “this government has passed actual legislation that actually gives renters more rights and that’s more important than whether one of their MPs is a landlord” but go off.

I’ll ask again, which government in your lifetime or before was more left wing in your opinion? We might not have had it raining free gumdrops but we’ve had investment on rail, energy, the NHS far above what we would have got. We’ve got planning reform to come if the environmental groups don’t fuck it that could seriously dent the housing crisis and get infrastructure built before everyone in this thread is in care.

“sElF iMpOsEd DeFiCiT pInChInG”

£41bn of new taxes, mostly on wealth and corporations, £30bn a year extra investment spending.

It may not be enough for you, Blair wasn’t enough for a lot of people either. But I’d sure as hell take it over any of the alternatives. And doing nothing but shitting on the only left wing option we’ve got in a sea of proto-fascists doesn’t seem particularly progressive to me

“but the vibes man”

 

[Grendel]

Pretty desperate Reeves claiming interest cuts are a sign of a growing economy - pathetic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think you’ll find I was saying “this government has passed actual legislation that actually gives renters more rights and that’s more important than whether one of their MPs is a landlord” but go off.

I’ll ask again, which government in your lifetime or before was more left wing in your opinion? We might not have had it raining free gumdrops but we’ve had investment on rail, energy, the NHS far above what we would have got. We’ve got planning reform to come if the environmental groups don’t fuck it that could seriously dent the housing crisis and get infrastructure built before everyone in this thread is in care.

It may not be enough for you, Blair wasn’t enough for a lot of people either. But I’d sure as hell take it over any of the alternatives. And doing nothing but shitting on the only left wing option we’ve got in a sea of proto-fascists doesn’t seem particularly progressive to me

Blair did things that were transformative, for instance the minimum wage, huge investment in state education, the NHS also performed better than it did before or since.

As I said, Starmer has managed to alienate every chunk of the electorate with an even bigger majority. It defies belief

 

[shmmeee]

Blair did things that were transformative, for instance the minimum wage, huge investment in state education, the NHS also performed better than it did before or since.

As I said, Starmer has managed to alienate every chunk of the electorate with an even bigger majority. It defies belief

Blair was a better politician. He’s was the best politician in about fifty years. He also privatised huge chunks of the state education system and the health service. And you know, Iraq.

There simply isn’t the cash from a boom like there was in the 90s and early 00s. The Tories left the country in the shitter in every possible way and just to stop us going over the edge we had to raise huge amounts of tax. That was done in a progressive way. Fiscal rules were changed to allow tens of billions of spending in investment each year. Rail is being nationalised. Renters are getting rights they never had for far more secure accommodation, actual plans are being made to tackle the biggest problems this country faces, wind power isn’t illegal any more.

Honestly if you look at all that and want Reform in because “it’s not enough” you’re a child and not a particularly left wing one at that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Blair was a better politician. He’s was the best politician in about fifty years. He also privatised huge chunks of the state education system and the health service. And you know, Iraq.

There simply isn’t the cash from a boom like there was in the 90s and early 00s. The Tories left the country in the shitter in every possible way and just to stop us going over the edge we had to raise huge amounts of tax. That was done in a progressive way. Fiscal rules were changed to allow tens of billions of spending in investment each year. Rail is being nationalised. Renters are getting rights they never had for far more secure accommodation, actual plans are being made to tackle the biggest problems this country faces, wind power isn’t illegal any more.

Honestly if you look at all that and want Reform in because “it’s not enough” you’re a child and not a particularly left wing one at that.

Where was it announced about rail?

 

[skybluetony176]

Where was it announced about rail?

It was in their manifesto. As rail franchises end they’re returning back to public ownership. The first 2 (I think it’s 2) happened earlier this year. Great British Railways is already happening.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It was in their manifesto. As rail franchises end they’re returning back to public ownership. The first 2 (I think it’s 2) happened earlier this year. Great British Railways is already happening.

That is something I suppose.