Observations from Saturday (4 Viewers)

[olderskyblue]

Sat near the city dug out so heard lots of "coaching"

1. Guest of a Yeovil guy, and delighted with how friendly he and all his friends were towards us.
2. Surprised at the amount of angry shouting at young Daniels by thorn. Way over the top in my opinion and not great for the lads confidence. What happened to an arm round young players shoulders to encourage them? Which is what carsley did at full time.
3. Same for hussey by thorn and shaw. He must hate having to play on the dugout side.
4. Bellowing at Barton to move across to the left to mark one of their taller guys at a Yeovil free kick.. Shows the absence of a proper captain on the pitch, and/or a lack of preparation for the opposition? (Barton was marking one of their taller players in the middle....)
5. Oggy shouting at Cody telling him where he should make his run. WTF ????
6. The bunch of Yeovil supporters screaming at the 4th official that we had 3 people in the Technical area, not noticing that Yeovil had 3 in theirs too. our host pointed that out to them.
7. The continual tailing off of the sky blue song after "we will never lose"
8. The huge amount of angry shouting and gesturing that thorn does. No calmness at all.
9. Thorn and shaw looking just as angry after the game whilst inspecting the damage to their vehicles in the car park.

All in all a good day out, but the game was an anti climax really.. A view shared by the Yeovil lads too. Also noticeable was the general good humour of their fans, with hardly any bad language used in their support of their team or recommendations to the ref !

 

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[ggrady]

Is there any good reason why we always tail off in the skyblues song? I always just sing to the end anyway I look like a tosser but why stop half way?

 

[Nick]

Did any of the other players get a roasting that you heard?

 

[Hateley's Heed]

Did any of the other players get a roasting that you heard?

Possible 'Spit roasting' going on in the changing rooms prior to the game may explain the performance of 1 or 2.

 

[stupot07]

Nothing wrong with a bollocking on the pitch as long as its backed up with an arm around the shoulder after the game.

 

[olderskyblue]

They were calling kilbane killer.....
Callum ball got bawled at a lot first half, but no, Daniels seemed to take most of the flack.

 

[Nick]

Anything toward Mcsheffrey?

A lot of people have said Thorn shouts at the youngsters a lot (let's not turn this into an AT out thread)

 

[WillieStanley]

I see nothing wrong in AT and LC playing good cop/bad cop.

 

[Nick]

Carsley I assume will know the youngsters well anyway from when he was in the youth team.

Has somebody taken over from him now at that end?

 

[Sky Blues]

Maybe the youngsters get things wrong more often (though I'm not saying shouting is the right or wrong way to correct it). I think it's quite a common football set up for managers to shout (think of Sir Alex Ferguson's "hairdryer") while one of the coaches plays the arm-round-the-shoulder supporting role. The coach can do it as he won't be responsible for benching the lad next week. Managers often want to keep some distance, but coaches can be more matey with the players.

 

[olderskyblue]

I just think constant screaming at a young lad is over the top. Carsley seemed the most relaxed of all of them.

 

[Sky Blues]

Willie put it more succinctly while I slowly typed that out! Haha

 

[stevo_ccfc]

Point 9 damage to their vehicles?

who damaged their cars?

 

[Sick Boy]

The style of man management worked well with Bigi, didn't it?

 

[Sky Blues]

Point 9 damage to their vehicles?

who damaged their cars?

Someone on here said they hit each other's cars while parking!

 

[kg82]

The style of man management worked well with Bigi, didn't it?

What, you mean the one that just got a dream move to Newcastle?!

 

[oldskyblue58]

Got no problem with shouting directions to players......... if however it is constant at a particular player through out a game then that seems to me to imply either the player is in the wrong position, not up to the job or that the coaches or managers message/plan has not been clearly expressed in the first place or the wrong decision made by manager/coach.

If it is angry constant shouting at one or two players in particular then I am not sure what that actually achieves. The message is likely to be lost in the anger for starters, People speak with less clarity when angry and you have to ask with 5 decent subs why a change is not made if the player isnt doing the right things. I think as a coach you would also need to ask why the message in training isnt translated to match performance and that is not always down to the player. (Sir Alex does not use the "hair dryer" on the touchline .... it is used in the changing room where it can be used in a more focused way). If the norm is angry shouting at players then to me that smacks of short comings in the coaching staff.

just my opinion

 

[Sick Boy]

What, you mean the one that just got a dream move to Newcastle?!

Willie Stanley claims on another thread that he worked with bigi's cousin who said that Bigi hated Thorn.

 

[Gaz]

Neil Warnock aka Colin wanker, goes mental on the touch line at his players at times, and his record of getting teams promoted is good.

 

[Grendel]

Neil Warnock aka Colin wanker, goes mental on the touch line at his players at times, and his record of getting teams promoted is good.

Very rarely actually - most of the time he reserves it for opposition players, managers and referees.

 

[kg82]

Willie Stanley claims on another thread that he worked with bigi's cousin who said that Bigi hated Thorn.

And?! Nobody's ever hated their boss before?! The coaches are there to be matey, as already stated. Christ, its literally one thing after another! Here you go, here's a few more: thorn doesn't recycle and is single handedly destroying the earth! Thorn doesn't pick up his dogs shit, so everytime you step in dog crap it's definitely his. What a scoundrel

 

[Grendel]

And?! Nobody's ever hated their boss before?! The coaches are there to be matey, as already stated. Christ, its literally one thing after another! Here you go, here's a few more: thorn doesn't recycle and is single handedly destroying the earth! Thorn doesn't pick up his dogs shit, so everytime you step in dog crap it's definitely his. What a scoundrel

No he's just out of his depth as a manager and is dragging us down to his level. No need to exaggerate.

 

[Sick Boy]

I seriously think that in some people's eyes he has become bigger than the club.

 

[Sky Blues]

The SAF hairdryer point was more to illustrate that some managers do shout. I think a good manager should know their players well enough to know whether each individual will respond better to praise or criticism. I can't say if Thorn is right or wrong here because I don't know the whether the players involved will respond better to a verbal kick-up the backside or words of encouragement. But I do agree OSB that you would surely get diminishing returns from continual shouting (or compound problems if he has mis-read what the player reacts to).

 

[kg82]

No he's just out of his depth as a manager and is dragging us down to his level. No need to exaggerate.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you'd appreciate my hounding of the most evil man ever?!

 

[kg82]

I seriously think that in some people's eyes he has become bigger than the club.

You mean those people that constantly talk about him?! Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's boring. I don't even particularly like him as a manager but the constant vilifying of the bloke really pisses me off.

 

[Grendel]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you'd appreciate my hounding of the most evil man ever?!

He's not evil - just hopeless.

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you'd appreciate my hounding of the most evil man ever?!

Why do you think it is a personal thing? He is clearly out of his depth as manager, yet people seem to think others have a personal problem with him, which is bizarre.

 

[Grendel]

Why do you think it is a personal thing? He is clearly out of his depth as manager, yet people seem to think others have a personal problem with him, which is bizarre.

I agree. It is very odd. Is the reverse true? Are those that defend his "management record" really in love with him?

 

[kg82]

Why do you think it is a personal thing? He is clearly out of his depth as manager, yet people seem to think others have a personal problem with him, which is bizarre.

Wrong, its completely personal with some... Which IS bizarre.

 

[oldskyblue58]

I agree Sky Blues ....... there are better way than continual angry shouting. Knowing how players react to things is very important. Was applying my thoughts to any coach not just AT RS or LC

 

[Sick Boy]

You mean those people that constantly talk about him?! Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's boring. I don't even particularly like him as a manager but the constant vilifying of the bloke really pisses me off.

No one is vilifying him but his employment as manager will more than likely end up being detrimental to the club long-term. To me, it is essential we go up this season else we are in serious trouble.

 

[Sky Blues]

(let's not turn this into an AT out thread)

Forlorn hope?

 

[Grendel]

Wrong, its completely personal with some... Which IS bizarre.

It is not personal with anyone.

 

[Sick Boy]

It is not personal with anyone.

Of course it isn't, if it was then people would still be critical even if he was successful, which certainly wouldn't be the case.