Sarah Everard (4 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Did you not once say or agree that Jo Swinson was like 'the ugly hockey captain who always gets the shag because of her tits'?

No I didn’t I quoted a female commentator who said it - nice try though

 

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[wingy]

Can't read that .
But yes there will be some detail around the profile of this man .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No I didn’t I quoted a female commentator who said it - nice try though

Interesting

Something someone on twitter did make me laugh - it said she’s like the captain of the school hockey club - loud, obnoxious and ugly but has big tits so gets the shag anyway

 

[Grendel]

Interesting

Not really as I pointed out 3 posts later

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Back on topic I see he’s been charged now. Seems he’s also bumped his head again!! Suicide watch maybe??

 

[Otis]

It seems like there is so much more to this

What did the tweet say?

 

[Ian1779]

Back on topic I see he’s been charged now. Seems he’s also bumped his head again!! Suicide watch maybe??

Given a beating by a colleague?

 

[BodicoteSkyBlue]

Given a beating by a colleague?

Twice in two days? With the whole world watching, even the Met aren’t that silly.......... are they?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really as I pointed out 3 posts later

My point is you thought it was funny

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Male violence the common denominator here perhaps?
A tiny minority kill but Male violence appears endemic. Should we just shrug and say 'boys will be boys' or work for change? Nobody has all the answers but wanting to find solutions has to be the starting point not denial or whataboutery. I know some women are abusers too so we don't overlook that fact.

Of course it's a predominantly male thing, especially the violence as it's exacerbated by testoterone. But does that mean we should generalise it and assume all men are likely to do it? No. That's why the idea of this 'male curfew' is utterly absurd. You can't punish a majority of people for something they wouldn't ever dream of doing anyway. Perhaps we should just ban working class people from positions of high-ranking positions because they're statisically more likely to be less intelligent. Or women from physical jobs because they're more likely to be physically weaker?

Attitudes towards women/minorities is changing. But it's painfully slow and takes generations for those attitudes to change entirely as kids tend to look up to their parents and adopt their beliefs and attitudes. Even then you'll still get terrible people.

Of course we need to do as much as we can to try and protect people from attacks, especially women who'll bear the majority of them, but we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I think a worrying trend is this growing assumption that if something is wrong it's the fault of men/whites. It's becoming the default excuse for everything and it's detracting from the message. It's like the tired trope of blaming immigrants for everything. There are many faults and problems that men and whites are a predominant cause of historically but that doesn't mean they're at fault for everything that doesn't work. You become in danger of crying wolf.

Take Meghan. What was her immediate reaction to the bullying claims? Her ex-work colleagues have called her a nightmare to work with and a diva. Her own family largely don't like her. Given so much testimony maybe, just maybe, she's IS a bully. But of course no, it's because she's black and 'speaks her mind'. She gives off a 'mean girl' vibe - one of those girls who's a bitch to everyone and makes other peoples lives hell but the second anyone gives it back cries and says she's a victim.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I was listening to a lot of women on the radio yesterday, saying that just crossing the road would indeed give them so much reassurance. Easy enough to do isn't it.

It's something I tend to do naturally, but what do you do when it's a single footpath?

 

[David O'Day]

Of course it's a predominantly male thing, especially the violence as it's exacerbated by testoterone. But does that mean we should generalise it and assume all men are likely to do it? No. That's why the idea of this 'male curfew' is utterly absurd. You can't punish a majority of people for something they wouldn't ever dream of doing anyway. Perhaps we should just ban working class people from positions of high-ranking positions because they're statisically more likely to be less intelligent. Or women from physical jobs because they're more likely to be physically weaker?

Attitudes towards women/minorities is changing. But it's painfully slow and takes generations for those attitudes to change entirely as kids tend to look up to their parents and adopt their beliefs and attitudes. Even then you'll still get terrible people.

Of course we need to do as much as we can to try and protect people from attacks, especially women who'll bear the majority of them, but we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I think a worrying trend is this growing assumption that if something is wrong it's the fault of men/whites. It's becoming the default excuse for everything and it's detracting from the message. It's like the tired trope of blaming immigrants for everything. There are many faults and problems that men and whites are a predominant cause of historically but that doesn't mean they're at fault for everything that doesn't work. You become in danger of crying wolf.

Take Meghan. What was her immediate reaction to the bullying claims? Her ex-work colleagues have called her a nightmare to work with and a diva. Her own family largely don't like her. Given so much testimony maybe, just maybe, she's IS a bully. But of course no, it's because she's black and 'speaks her mind'. She gives off a 'mean girl' vibe - one of those girls who's a bitch to everyone and makes other peoples lives hell but the second anyone gives it back cries and says she's a victim.

Wow

One person mentioned a "male curfew", not one is seriously looking at implementing one.

You get terrible people is not an excuse. We as men can do more to look at why it happens and what we can do to stop the "terrible" ones

Strangely I'll the assumption that males are responsible for male violence against women is a pretty fucking solid one.

Oh look a bullshit Meghan paragraph that has fuck all to do with the situation and is fucking vile.

You like to think of yourself as an intellectual but you aren't mate, you are Nigel from the pub with a c at his GCSEs

 

[TomRad85]

It's something I tend to do naturally, but what do you do when it's a single footpath?

Turn around and leg it

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I guess it depends on what is classed as sexually harassing for them to get the stat? It could well be a bloke saying to his missus to get her tits out or something joking or if it is men approaching random women in the street and saying it.

It's not just one way. I can't be the only one to have been unfortunate enough to have encountered a hen party or girls night out and the harassment they can give guys, especially ones by themsleves, is massive. A stag party would, quite rightly, be thought of as pigs for doing the same to women. But for women it's fine - they're just having a bit of fun.

Genuinely last year I was walking down Allesley Old Road near the Co-Op and a car with a group of girls honked their horn and basically did the typical white-van-man "phwoar" kind of thing as they went past me. I'm over 40 and no oil painting so maybe it was ironic but again, other way round that's harassment.

 

[Evo1883]

Wow

One person mentioned a "male curfew", not one is seriously looking at implementing one.

You get terrible people is not an excuse. We as men can do more to look at why it happens and what we can do to stop the "terrible" ones

Strangely I'll the assumption that males are responsible for male violence against women is a pretty fucking solid one.

Oh look a bullshit Meghan paragraph that has fuck all to do with the situation and is fucking vile.

You like to think of yourself as an intellectual but you aren't mate, you are Nigel from the pub with a c at his GCSEs

Hard to stop the terrible one's, as I pointed out before, some of the most destructive killers and serial killers involving women come accross as completely normal to friends and colleagues

How do you stop that?

 

[Evo1883]

Ted bundy, who killed 30 women

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Shit place - completely failed attempt at supposed levelling up, when in fact all it did was level down (my experience, of course).

I went there but because at home my family was pretty much all female - mum, sister, two grandmas and an auntie compared to one grandad, it levelled me out.

There were certainly a couple of lads who had fucking horrendous views of the role of women, and these weren't exactly ones you'd think would. They were pretty intelligent and on most things you could have a decent conversation with them. I think they mainly got it from home and the opinion of their dads, but I'm sure not having females around at that time of life day-to-day didn't help at all.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Wow

One person mentioned a "male curfew", not one is seriously looking at implementing one.

You get terrible people is not an excuse. We as men can do more to look at why it happens and what we can do to stop the "terrible" ones

Strangely I'll the assumption that males are responsible for male violence against women is a pretty fucking solid one.

Oh look a bullshit Meghan paragraph that has fuck all to do with the situation and is fucking vile.

You like to think of yourself as an intellectual but you aren't mate, you are Nigel from the pub with a c at his GCSEs

Only you could put together a whole bunch of informal fallacies and not think you were talking more shite.

 

[Grendel]

Hard to stop the terrible one's, as I pointed out before, some of the most destructive killers and serial killers involving women come accross as completely normal to friends and colleagues

How do you stop that?

Most successful serial killers are outwardly relatively normal or oddly they’d get caught earlier - look at someone like Dennis Radar

 

[clint van damme]

Hard to stop the terrible one's, as I pointed out before, some of the most destructive killers and serial killers involving women come accross as completely normal to friends and colleagues

How do you stop that?

Is this debate really about serial killers though?
You're right, how do you spot them?
Think it's more about men abusing and killing their partners.
Again, is that easier to spot. Perhaps in some cases in others not.

 

[Evo1883]

Is this debate really about serial killers though?
You're right, how do you spot them?
Think it's more about men abusing and killing their partners.
Again, is that easier to spot. Perhaps in some cases in others not.

Well killers in general, some people are totally normal to everybody else

 

[Nick]

Shock, doorstep vigils and people taking it upon themeselve to get likes and in the paper.

Embarrassing bandwagon pricks.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Wow

One person mentioned a "male curfew", not one is seriously looking at implementing one.

You get terrible people is not an excuse. We as men can do more to look at why it happens and what we can do to stop the "terrible" ones

Strangely I'll the assumption that males are responsible for male violence against women is a pretty fucking solid one.

Oh look a bullshit Meghan paragraph that has fuck all to do with the situation and is fucking vile.

You like to think of yourself as an intellectual but you aren't mate, you are Nigel from the pub with a c at his GCSEs

Of course males are responsible for male violence against women - the clues in the fucking sentence! But does that mean ALL men are responsible for it? Or even MOST men? As I've said I was brought up in an almost exclusively female household, so I think I've just naturally become accustomed to doing things in a more considerate way. Others won't. We need to do more, but that doesn't mean all men should be made to feel like they're a danger to women, or that that kind of thinking should be put on society as a whole.

 

[clint van damme]

Well killers in general, some people are totally normal to everybody else

What does a drink driver look like?
We have campaigns against drunk driving which are aimed at everyone.
I've never drunk drove in my life (one of the fee stupid things I've managed to avoid), , I've no problem seeing posters and adverts about it if it helps.

I'm not a problem gambler, but it's just been made a lot more difficult for me to put money into my account. If that helps then I'll suffer the inconvenience.

And if there's a campaign aimed at stopping violence against women I'm.happy to indulge,.if there's suggestions like crossing the road, I'm happy to comply.

 

[clint van damme]

Shock, doorstep vigils and people taking it upon themeselve to get likes and in the paper.

Embarrassing bandwagon pricks.

All if them? You're dismissing them all. Don't think any of them are genuine?

 

[Evo1883]

What does a drink driver look like?
We have campaigns against drunk driving which are aimed at everyone.
I've never drunk drove in my life (one of the fee stupid things I've managed to avoid), , I've no problem seeing posters and adverts about it if it helps.

I'm not a problem gambler, but it's just been made a lot more difficult for me to put money into my account. If that helps then I'll suffer the inconvenience.

And if there's a campaign aimed at stopping violence against women I'm.happy to indulge,.if there's suggestions like crossing the road, I'm happy to comply.

I have no problem seeing advertised campaigns aimed towards men having a better attitude towards women

 

[Nick]

All if them? You're dismissing them all. Don't think any of them are genuine?

Think the majority of that sort of thing is just people trying to make it about them, look at people trying to clap the loudest for the NHS.

Give it 6 months and most of them who are self appointed vigil organisers won't be able to tell you her name.

 

[clint van damme]

Think the majority of that sort of thing is just people trying to make it about them, look at people trying to clap the loudest for the NHS.

There were people who thought the majority of city support was racist after the Godiva incident- they were making assumptions based on no evidence as well.

 

[Nick]

And if there's a campaign aimed at stopping violence against women I'm.happy to indulge,.if there's suggestions like crossing the road, I'm happy to comply.

That's the thing, it needs to have stuff like that and actual campaigns rather than all the division.

All we get is "We need to be aware, as men we need to do something, we need to make a stand" but a lot of it is just bluster. People need to say what they want us to do to help.

 

[Nick]

There were people who thought the majority of city support was racist after the Godiva incident- they were making assumptions based on no evidence as well.

Completely different scenario isn't it?

Let's face it, the majority of the self-appointed vigil organisers will be busy fuckers. No doubt they will have had the tin pots out on a Thursday and judging people who didn't stand on the doorstep clapping.

It's a band wagon for people to be on, bandwagon for people to be forced to pick a side to be on and try and prove to everybody how much of a good person they are on social media.

 

[clint van damme]

That's the thing, it needs to have stuff like that and actual campaigns rather than all the division.

All we get is "We need to be aware, as men we need to do something, we need to make a stand" but a lot of it is just bluster. People need to say what they want us to do to help.

This has come into focus this week. No one has said what they want done yet, you're right. Maybe because the conversation has just started but when they do it will be dismissed by the usual suspects.

 

[clint van damme]

Completely different scenario isn't it?

Let's face it, the majority of the self-appointed vigil organisers will be busy fuckers. No doubt they will have had the tin pots out on a Thursday and judging people who didn't stand on the doorstep clapping.

It's a band wagon for people to be on, bandwagon for people to be forced to pick a side to be on and try and prove to everybody how much of a good person they are on social media.

It's not different at all. It's people labelling a whole group based on no evidence which is what you're doing.

To suggest none of those trying to organise vigils actually care about violence against women is incredibly dismissive and frankly a but disturbing.

 

[Nick]

This has come into focus this week. No one has said what they want done yet, you're right. Maybe because the conversation has just started but when they do it will be dismissed by the usual suspects.

People won't say what they want to be done, it won't be constructive. It will just fade out until something happens in the news where the busy cunts of the community can arrange a clap at a certain time to post on Facebook.

Football is a majority male watched sport from kids up to adults, why not a targetted campaign through football clubs with hard hitting videos on social media (until we can go back to games?)

People need to stop saying "us men need to do something", yeah tell us what needs to be done then with actual ideas that are constructive.

 

[Nick]

It's not different at all. It's people labelling a whole group based on no evidence which is what you're doing.

To suggest none of those trying to organise vigils actually care about violence against women is incredibly dismissive and frankly a but disturbing.

I meant more about the poor victim than violence against women, the majority won't know her name in a few months after the bandwagon is gone and they will be onto something else.

It's not really labelling a group based on no evidence is it? I said the same about all of the NHS clapping bollocks and now the vast majority of NHS workers agree with it. It's a pretentious gesture.

 

[Ian1779]

Completely different scenario isn't it?

Let's face it, the majority of the self-appointed vigil organisers will be busy fuckers. No doubt they will have had the tin pots out on a Thursday and judging people who didn't stand on the doorstep clapping.

It's a band wagon for people to be on, bandwagon for people to be forced to pick a side to be on and try and prove to everybody how much of a good person they are on social media.

Populism innit...