Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

The problem is, in a general sense, that I'd like to think I'm reasonably disposed to following a government at times like this. I'm also happy they'll make mistakes, things won't pan out as anticipated, and it'll be rocky.

I'd like them to front it up, though. The problem is with the way they play it, is it's hard to tell which bits I *should* believe among it all!

look at New Zealand the other week when they let those infected travellers in from the UK.
Held their hands up, admitted their mistake, said they'd put measures in place to prevent it happening again, everyone moved on.
Here they'd have thrown the full weight of the PR bullshit machine at it to try and deflect and it would have dragged on for weeks.

 

[chiefdave]

Yeah...

tbh I'd have been far happier to hear that they'd reduced it to 1m after considering medical evidence and other countries... not to hear keep it to 2m apart from when you want to make some cash!

From the SAGE report on the transmission of Covid-19:

best current evidence suggests that 1m carries between 2 and 10 times the risk of 2m of separation

countries that specify a separation distance below 2m generally mandate other mitigation measures, usually face masks or face coverings as a minimum

a calculation based on [3] suggests risk at 2m face-to-face is around 10 times lower than the risk at 1m

the risk of transmission at 2m separation is approximately half that at 1m

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ion_of_SARS-CoV-2_and_Mitigating_Measures.pdf

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Who called it?

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Good they have gone on too long

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The thing is, it's not even unreasonable to make mistakes, or more information to come to light to change the decision making. Take the 2m rule, I see that other countries have less than us, so I can be disposed to a change... if it's explained properly.

As it is, it reads like Ian Duncan-Smith ended up running government after all.

What hasn't been mentioned much in among all this is all the shielded people are expected to go back to work. Now that seems a particularly odd decision to me. I can accept letting them out the house etc for their own sanity(!) but expecting them to be 1m away from people because it's not practicasl to sell more burgers otherwise...?

It's also ignoring the physical limitations of school buildings. If you want everybody in, you can't maintain any kind of distancing-just be honest about it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's also ignoring the physical limitations of school buildings. If you want everybody in, you can't maintain any kind of distancing-just be honest about it.

Repurposing other buildings is maybe not a bad idea, either. Not sure why they didn't at least consider that when it was proposed, seemed to fly under the radar.

 

[David O'Day]

Good they have gone on too long

Good? This just shows that they can't get the science advisors to back them up in public.

Anyway Dom stop running away from the questions that have been put to you.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Good they have gone on too long

What will you use to wank over on a Monday now?

 

[chiefdave]

Clubs have already been holding net sessions under compliance measures from the ECB for ages

Not just net sessions, Windies started a 3 day warm up game for the test series today.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Repurposing other buildings is maybe not a bad idea, either. Not sure why they didn't at least consider that when it was proposed, seemed to fly under the radar.

It is viable if schools are still under the control of the council. Most English secondary schools are not and repurposed buildings would still be no good for practical subjects.

 

[David O'Day]

It's also ignoring the physical limitations of school buildings. If you want everybody in, you can't maintain any kind of distancing-just be honest about it.

Yep, we don't have the school infrastructure of say a country like Korea or Denmark.

If only the only the tories hadn't scrapped the building schools for future fund

 

[David O'Day]

Not just net sessions, Windies started a 3 day warm up game for the test series today.

8th of July the first test

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

John Swinnie, Scottish Education Minister, announcing a detailed list of measures to restore teaching strength and education measures ahead of reopening schools. Compare that to Williamson's efforts to 'break the unions'.

 

[David O'Day]

It is viable if schools are still under the control of the council. Most English secondary schools are not and repurposed buildings would still be no good for practical subjects.

Aye, it;s hard to turn an office into a science lab

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Aye, it;s hard to turn an office into a science lab

Wouldn't be so hard to turn some of our buildings into teaching rooms, they're used for that occasionally, anyway

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Aye, it;s hard to turn an office into a science lab

I've just had to include videos and talk throughs of experiments in the mean time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wouldn't be so hard to turn some of our buildings into teaching rooms, they're used for that occasionally, anyway

Agree, but it's made harder when secondary schools are no longer state run.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Agree, but it's made harder when secondary schools are no longer state run.

Again, they're used for that anyway, so it needs an extension of that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Again, they're used for that anyway, so it needs an extension of that.

Are they already used for teaching school children with other teaching equipment made available, and safeguarding arrangements?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Are they already used for teaching school children with other teaching equipment made available, and safeguarding arrangements?

Yes

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes

Including practical subjects? And available in sufficient numbers for the demand?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Including practical subjects? And available in sufficient numbers for the demand?

You seem determined to add barriers. They have been available had there been the political will to make them available, yes. We're not the only site either.

 

[chiefdave]

Why has nobody mentioned the big news that model villages are allowed to open.

Not sure what the point is of saying theatres and concert halls can open but then saying there is to be no live performances.

 

[David O'Day]

Why has nobody mentioned the big news that model villages are allowed to open.

Not sure what the point is of saying theatres and concert halls can open but then saying there is to be no live performances.

Is a model village where Grendal lives?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You seem determined to add barriers. They have been available had there been the political will to make them available, yes. We're not the only site either.

The barriers are the ones imposed by the requirements. Been clear all along I'd much rather be teaching face to face than remotely particularly as I need a lab.

 

[hill83]

Boozer 4th July then

 

[skybluetony176]

Talking of per capita stats

Coronavirus deaths per million by country | Statista

2nd worst in the world in that

Belgium has been really strict on recording deaths, their government’s method is more akin to the ONS method of reporting every death certificate where Covid was mentioned as a Covid death. Think they’ve also tested a higher percentage of their population also so they don’t have as many excessive unexplained deaths as us either.

 

[hill83]

We are basically down to relying on people not being heroes. The “never had a day off” crowd.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We are basically down to relying on people not being heroes. The “never had a day off” crowd.

Yep my mum just said I’m gonna do what I think is best.

 

[hill83]

Me and the wife are in talks about sending my lad back to school now. They’ve finally released some information and I’m a little bit more settled about it all. So I think we are going to do it.

 

[clint van damme]

Boozer 4th July then

Told ya. My Albany pub roof terrace post was not a joke.
I repeat, it was not a joke.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Me and the wife are in talks about sending my lad back to school now. They’ve finally released some information and I’m a little bit more settled about it all. So I think we are going to do it.

Best thing I've done during lockdown. My daughter can go as me and her mum are key workers ( hate that saying) . However the first month of lockdown, we worked our shifts around each other so she didn't have to go purely out of worry wether it was safe.

Felt comfortable enough to do so after that month, and the change in my daughter was brilliant. Happier, more sociable, still able to learn and play with friends.

I would recommend those that can do

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Best thing I've done during lockdown. My daughter can go as me and her mum are key workers ( hate that saying) . However the first month of lockdown, we worked our shifts around each other so she didn't have to go purely out of worry wether it was safe.

Felt comfortable enough to do so after that month, and the change in my daughter was brilliant. Happier, more sociable, still able to learn and play with friends.

I would recommend those that can do

Is she primary or secondary?

 

[hill83]

Best thing I've done during lockdown. My daughter can go as me and her mum are key workers ( hate that saying) . However the first month of lockdown, we worked our shifts around each other so she didn't have to go purely out of worry wether it was safe.

Felt comfortable enough to do so after that month, and the change in my daughter was brilliant. Happier, more sociable, still able to learn and play with friends.

I would recommend those that can do

I’m a key worker and work shifts but the wife has been off for a couple of months and they moved in with her parents. They are back this weekend and she’s back in work. It just seems to make sense now, plus getting him in for a bit hopefully making it less of a shock to the system waiting until September. I don’t know, still in two minds but I think we will do it.

My lads in reception.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think the kids are absolutely fine hill it’s where there are vulnerable others who they come into contact with or work in school that an issue occurs. Bless you for thinking things through

 

[Covstu]

I’m a key worker and work shifts but the wife has been off for a couple of months and they moved in with her parents. They are back this weekend and she’s back in work. It just seems to make sense now, plus getting him in for a bit hopefully making it less of a shock to the system waiting until September. I don’t know, still in two minds but I think we will do it.

My lads in reception.

We kept our youngest off school (yr1) not for concerns around safety but her big sister (yr4) couldnt go back so it would damage both of them by splitting them up. Hopefully both can go back soon even for a few weeks