Brighton Sky Blue
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I don’t think mine harmed any fascists, was in the merchant navy and his boat got mined
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I don’t think mine harmed any fascists, was in the merchant navy and his boat got mined
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I'm no politics buff....but I think 18 fucking years of tory rule may have had an impact.....
Shame Blair turned out to be arguably a bigger c**t than most of them...
Ring Of Steel
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First off thank you for typing that, I can now copy and paste "Taoiseach"
Yes I think thats right- there are meetings going in between Fianna Fail, Fine Gael (sorry if spelled wrong) and Sinn Fein to thrash out a deal but according to the news there is a lot of gameplaying, bargaining etc going on and obvioulsy the Coronavirus thing means its taking longer anyway.
In fact scrap that- just googled and my adopted country is apparently going for a "Shilton/ Clemence" type arrangement where they rotate power, Sinn Fein out of the picture. Clearly as an Englishman in Ireland that instinctively makes me happy, although they are the growing force to be honest.
Micheal Martin to get first go as Taoiseach as Fianna Fail and Fine Gael 'agree' to rotating powers | The Irish Post
The best comparison I could give to what parties we've had in UK is the original 'New Labour'.
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fernandopartridge
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Clearing past debts isn't an issue, they're all basically sat on the government books anyway through the SLC. Most of them will never be repaid so why not just write them off now?
fernandopartridge
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Brighton Sky Blue
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FF and FG should probably merge and compromise, then realign themselves economically. McDonald can say till she’s blue in the face that unionists would have a place in a UI but surely nobody can buy that in the north
David O'Day
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That would wipe out ff and fg at the next election
Brighton Sky Blue
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They’re getting wiped anyway
Grendel
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Labour don’t play the election game.
It’s like a duopoly and you need to be the biggest shareholder every 5 years
Corbyn gained share as May was a disaster in the media. Once she went labour should have ditched Corbyn as he was a busted flush and had no appeal
Milliband was a joke figure. mr Bean and just a fool. Even the grisly odious Clegg swept votes off him
Brighton Sky Blue
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Just for you ROS:
Brighton Sky Blue
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I can agree with part of that. Actually hoping for people to read the manifesto and vote based on policy is a big error in this country
David O'Day
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You mean the 2015 election where the lib dems didn't gain any seats?
NorthernWisdom
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Invest in a skills base, and a country becomes more competitive, more efficient, and wealthier.
We all benefit.
Ring Of Steel
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I know this is going to offend a few and I am not saying Ireland is getting it all right, I don't agree its all bloody perfect here, but the final sentence sums up what most Irish people really think of the UK when you take away the 'banter'. And this summation of Johnson & Trump for me is spot on.
Virus crisis reveals Boris Johnson's astonishing incompetence | The Irish Post
"THESE are without doubt the strangest of strange days.
I’ve never known Ireland like this. And yet, amongst the disorientating weirdness and the rumbling fear, I can’t help feeling lucky and fortunate that we are here whilst this is happening.
Looking across the Irish Sea I find myself thinking surely now, surely the British can see how they’ve been hoodwinked. Boris Johnson is incompetent in a way that is astonishing even to those of us who thought he was a mere showman charlatan.
The Irish government, by contrast, have been measured, controlled and capable. They have brought us along with them. I am, politically, utterly opposed to Fine Gael and to Varadkar, Harris and Coveney. But this isn’t about that. It isn’t about politics. It is about the ability of those in a certain position at a certain time to do a certain thing. And faced with the Coronavirus the Irish government have made one sure step after another.
They have made it clear, as to be fair have all parties, that this is not about party politics, this is about life and death. It is about following the science and sticking to the facts.
By contrast Johnson told you one week to carry on, everything would be fine, and the following week to not step outside the door. For a man so fond of wartime imagery there is one that seems to fit him. An image from WW1 that was used to describe British soldiers in the trenches and the generals that ordered them to their deaths. Lions led by donkeys.
Much like those generals, Johnson’s initial idea of herd immunity seemed willing to sacrifice thousands of you only for him to turn around in the middle of no man’s land and run for cover.
Of all the European leaders he has looked the most out of his depth, the most shallow, and vacuous. These are dark times and rambling verbal buffoonery looks as essentially useless as it essentially is.
And on the other side of the Atlantic Donald Trump, the leader of the free world, has shown himself to be petty, astonishingly vain, and utterly lacking in basic human empathy.
As people die, as people worry and fret, wonder what is happening to their lives and to the world, the American President toured the Centre for Disease Control and told everyone there how wonderful and clever he was.
We live in the strangest of strange days.
Even in the face of growing numbers of dead Americans the American President focuses on telling his country how great he is.
It is as if the man has the most insecure personality we’ve ever known.
Whatever the situation, surrounded by any kind of expert, Trump insists he knows more than anyone there. He craves attention and is seething with anger if ever questioned.
He is a giant toddler and there’s not one thing funny about it. Especially now.
So, I do feel lucky that we are here in Ireland during all of this. Leo Varadkar may well be a man overly concerned with image and PR. Fine Gael may well be a right wing party overly focused on the magic of the free market.
But that all seems irrelevant. What we have to our advantage is the fact that we are a small, intimate island. We have a small population. We have a social cohesion that has appeared obvious in these days. People are looking out for each other. They are being kind and generous.
I’m sure there have been instances of shabby behaviour, I’m sure some people have been selfish and self-serving.
Reporting back, though, from Covid Ireland, I have to say I haven’t seen that.
Out there in the basements of the internet I’m sure the likes of the failed Presidential candidate and fully paid up conspiracy theorist Gemma O’Doherty, and all those like her, are formulating their messages of division and hate. But that only exists in the virtual world.
Out here in the actual world Irish society has come together.
If we lose people in the close communities we inhabit we will feel it. It will hit us hard.
We are not fooling ourselves. We know this could get bad. But we are not being led or spoken to by the blustering and the narcissistic.
We’re lucky. I hope we remain so.
And I dearly hope you, our neighbours, our friends, and our family, on the other side of the Irish Sea, I dearly hope you get lucky too."
Virus crisis reveals Boris Johnson's astonishing incompetence | The Irish Post
"THESE are without doubt the strangest of strange days.
I’ve never known Ireland like this. And yet, amongst the disorientating weirdness and the rumbling fear, I can’t help feeling lucky and fortunate that we are here whilst this is happening.
Looking across the Irish Sea I find myself thinking surely now, surely the British can see how they’ve been hoodwinked. Boris Johnson is incompetent in a way that is astonishing even to those of us who thought he was a mere showman charlatan.
The Irish government, by contrast, have been measured, controlled and capable. They have brought us along with them. I am, politically, utterly opposed to Fine Gael and to Varadkar, Harris and Coveney. But this isn’t about that. It isn’t about politics. It is about the ability of those in a certain position at a certain time to do a certain thing. And faced with the Coronavirus the Irish government have made one sure step after another.
They have made it clear, as to be fair have all parties, that this is not about party politics, this is about life and death. It is about following the science and sticking to the facts.
By contrast Johnson told you one week to carry on, everything would be fine, and the following week to not step outside the door. For a man so fond of wartime imagery there is one that seems to fit him. An image from WW1 that was used to describe British soldiers in the trenches and the generals that ordered them to their deaths. Lions led by donkeys.
Much like those generals, Johnson’s initial idea of herd immunity seemed willing to sacrifice thousands of you only for him to turn around in the middle of no man’s land and run for cover.
Of all the European leaders he has looked the most out of his depth, the most shallow, and vacuous. These are dark times and rambling verbal buffoonery looks as essentially useless as it essentially is.
And on the other side of the Atlantic Donald Trump, the leader of the free world, has shown himself to be petty, astonishingly vain, and utterly lacking in basic human empathy.
As people die, as people worry and fret, wonder what is happening to their lives and to the world, the American President toured the Centre for Disease Control and told everyone there how wonderful and clever he was.
We live in the strangest of strange days.
Even in the face of growing numbers of dead Americans the American President focuses on telling his country how great he is.
It is as if the man has the most insecure personality we’ve ever known.
Whatever the situation, surrounded by any kind of expert, Trump insists he knows more than anyone there. He craves attention and is seething with anger if ever questioned.
He is a giant toddler and there’s not one thing funny about it. Especially now.
So, I do feel lucky that we are here in Ireland during all of this. Leo Varadkar may well be a man overly concerned with image and PR. Fine Gael may well be a right wing party overly focused on the magic of the free market.
But that all seems irrelevant. What we have to our advantage is the fact that we are a small, intimate island. We have a small population. We have a social cohesion that has appeared obvious in these days. People are looking out for each other. They are being kind and generous.
I’m sure there have been instances of shabby behaviour, I’m sure some people have been selfish and self-serving.
Reporting back, though, from Covid Ireland, I have to say I haven’t seen that.
Out there in the basements of the internet I’m sure the likes of the failed Presidential candidate and fully paid up conspiracy theorist Gemma O’Doherty, and all those like her, are formulating their messages of division and hate. But that only exists in the virtual world.
Out here in the actual world Irish society has come together.
If we lose people in the close communities we inhabit we will feel it. It will hit us hard.
We are not fooling ourselves. We know this could get bad. But we are not being led or spoken to by the blustering and the narcissistic.
We’re lucky. I hope we remain so.
And I dearly hope you, our neighbours, our friends, and our family, on the other side of the Irish Sea, I dearly hope you get lucky too."
clint van damme
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Never more so than the last election.
Sick Boy
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We got some delivered the other day by the state, I’m sure De Pfeffel and his gang are planning the same for the UK right now.
Grendel
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it was phrased badly. Clegg was finished and conservatives targeted him strategically - milliband had no such strategy at all and in key areas still made no ground. They again targeted the wrong area whereas Cameron did - labour always think policies win elections - they don’t
fernandopartridge
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Sadly that is literally where we are, hoping that us or our families don't catch it
Skybluefaz
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Brugge awarded the title in Belgium, the more major leagues that adopt this approach hopefully the better for us
NorthernWisdom
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Unfortunately, you're probably right.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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A football team with tens, if not hundreds, of millions in guaranteed TV revenue each season should not be having to get rid of or furlough any staff after a month. If they're running out of money that quick it shows how much is wrong with the game and how the players/agents take far too much of the money coming in.
I suspect however it's them taking the piss to not have to pay a particular outgoing rather than actual financial hardship.
Cant disagree NW but I don’t think uni numbers have reduced post tuition fee introduction (stand to be corrected).
As I’ve indicated I’d overhaul the system, reintroduce grants/subsidies etc and ensure students got value for their courses (would also take a look at some of the principals salaries !). Id also question a proportion who are going to uni when they’d maybe be better on apprenticeships/vocational courses (and invest more in this area) or direct employment. I know many companies/practices are taking on A level students straight from college and providing their own training/qualifications.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Likes of Branson who constantly complain about govt interference in the private sector, then the second there's the whiff of taking some public money they're straight in there with the begging bowl and quite happy for government to get involved.
Wonder how many of these businesses that have furloughed staff etc will somehow find money for big remuneration packages and dividends....?
Grendel
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Labour has perceived economic competence issues. So shadow chancellor is a key role. Labour will probably hand it to Butler or Burgon
Ring Of Steel
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Stelios took a £60m dividend the day before laying staff off
David O'Day
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There's every chance it could Reeves a trained economist.
If as likely starmer wins I'd be surprised to see burgon in the shadows cabinet
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cc84cov
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Enjoy reading your insight to these type of things G
Grendel
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The only interesting bit of this turgid leadership contest was name the best labour leader and none of them could answer. The answer is Blair and they were right when they said we’ve moved on from Blair as he was a winner and has been followed by a succession of losers
Sick Boy
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His election prediction for 2017 was a classic to be fair.
skybluesam66
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Eddie Large died from Corona
Grendel
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A Tory victory? Still with the right leader the landslide cane two years later
Sky Blue Pete
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Wonder what the percentage of health workers is?
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep wanker
shmmeee
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Yeah this would make sense if the Tories hadn’t just won with their extreme wing not only in power but having just kicked the moderates out.
Grendel
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So far it’s been 13%
