Open Letter to Supporters (2 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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So by this if we didn't get a deal, lost our league status and we ended up playing at the Butts or whatever it really wouldn't matter - the club would still exist because the fans would still exist. Even if we had to rebuild this club from scatch we would still care, all those emotions would still stir in us. Kids would still feel that stir of excitement and passion on their first trip. Which makes this letter nothing more than scaremongering about the stuff in the first paragraph of that quote which it says aren't the club.
 

chiefdave

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So by this if we didn't get a deal, lost our league status and we ended up playing at the Butts or whatever it really wouldn't matter - the club would still exist because the fans would still exist. Even if we had to rebuild this club from scatch we would still care, all those emotions would still stir in us. Kids would still feel that stir of excitement and passion on their first trip. Which makes this letter nothing more than scaremongering about the stuff in the first paragraph of that quote which it says aren't the club.
If that's your response I find it hard to believe you are actually a Coventry City fan. The point being made was an incredibly simple one yet you have somehow failed to grasp it.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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If that's your response I find it hard to believe you are actually a Coventry City fan. The point being made was an incredibly simple one yet you have somehow failed to grasp it.

Yes, it is a simple point. It's mob/gang mentality and a sporting equivalent of religious zealotry. From one point it creates a sense of belonging and community, but look slightly deeper and It's the kind of thinking that leads to wars and hatred of others because they're slightly different from you. Think bigger.

I couldn't give a fuck what you think of me as a fan. I'd follow this club if it was Midland Counties playing on park pitches.
 

Nick

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Yes, it is a simple point. It's mob/gang mentality and a sporting equivalent of religious zealotry. From one point it creates a sense of belonging and community, but look slightly deeper and It's the kind of thinking that leads to wars and hatred of others because they're slightly different from you. Think bigger.

I couldn't give a fuck what you think of me as a fan. I'd follow this club if it was Midland Counties playing on park pitches.

Would it be this club? Would it have won the FA cup in 1987? What difference is there between that and loads of city fans going to watch Cov Utd?
 

Liquid Gold

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So by this if we didn't get a deal, lost our league status and we ended up playing at the Butts or whatever it really wouldn't matter - the club would still exist because the fans would still exist. Even if we had to rebuild this club from scatch we would still care, all those emotions would still stir in us. Kids would still feel that stir of excitement and passion on their first trip. Which makes this letter nothing more than scaremongering about the stuff in the first paragraph of that quote which it says aren't the club.
No, a fucking lot of fans wouldn't support a new team. Fans disappear with the club.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Would it be this club? Would it have won the FA cup in 1987? What difference is there between that and loads of city fans going to watch Cov Utd?

Legally it's difficult to say. Maybe not. Spiritually, unequivocally yes it would be. Would it matter if from a legal sense we had or hadn't won the cup in '87? When you go to a game and we score a goal do you celebrate because we won a trophy in the past, or due to the surge of emotion at that specific time and moment? I've never watched us score and thought "I would celebrate, but I remember us losing a Cup QF to Shef Utd we should've won years ago and frankly it takes the enjoyment out of it for me."
 

Nick

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Legally it's difficult to say. Maybe not. Spiritually, unequivocally yes it would be. Would it matter if from a legal sense we had or hadn't won the cup in '87? When you go to a game and we score a goal do you celebrate because we won a trophy in the past, or due to the surge of emotion at that specific time and moment? I've never watched us score and thought "I would celebrate, but I remember us losing a Cup QF to Shef Utd we should've won years ago and frankly it takes the enjoyment out of it for me."

No I go to support CCFC because that's who I have supported since I was born and went to games growing up. If 1000 city fans went to watch Villa every week it doesn't mean I should, same with Cov Sphinx and Cov United.

You can't transfer things like that to different clubs, I couldn't go and watch another match and jump about like a twat if they score.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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No, a fucking lot of fans wouldn't support a new team. Fans disappear with the club.

In which case according to SBR they aren't fans anyway. And if they did fuck off because we lost our league status why would you miss them? Fair weather wankers.
 

Nick

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Well... given the level of division (that’s entirely SISUs fault) we as a club are fucked.

Thanks for the memories CCFC... was good whilst it lasted

Whilst I don't doubt they are to blame, is it entirely their fault for division? It's not in other people's interests for everybody to get behind the club. -
 

Nick

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In which case according to SBR they aren't fans anyway. And if they did fuck off because we lost our league status why would you miss them? Fair weather wankers.

He was talking if the club went completely wasn't he? It's not about being fair weather.
 

Ashdown

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Can't believe SISU are trying to pull off this stunt. Appealing to hearts and minds to disconnect them from the club so they can carry on their pointless legal campaign. They are the club and they are making all the decisions ultimately and everyone knows it. Fisher et al are just playing brinkmanship with CCFC because evidently they couldn't give a shit about the fate of the club in reality, just the future of their investment.
 

HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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Whilst I don't doubt they are to blame, is it entirely their fault for division? It's not in other people's interests for everybody to get behind the club. -
I would say yes. Their reasoning for their actions I believe has merit. Unfortunately, their disdain for the fans is the reason for the division.

I blame them for the way they’ve gone about things. The ruthlessness and arrogance they’ve shown is the key reason for division.

They could have attacked the situation differently when they went on the rent strike.
 

Nick

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Can't believe SISU are trying to pull off this stunt. Appealing to hearts and minds to disconnect them from the club so they can carry on their pointless legal campaign. They are the club and they are making all the decisions ultimately and everyone knows it. Fisher et al are just playing brinkmanship with CCFC because evidently they couldn't give a shit about the fate of the club in reality, just the future of their investment.

SISU aren't the club though are they?

What stunt exactly? The club saying that they are in a rock hard situation and have no choice? That's the reality of it.
 

Nick

Administrator
I would say yes. Their reasoning for their actions I believe has merit. Unfortunately, their disdain for the fans is the reason for the division.

I blame them for the way they’ve gone about things. The ruthlessness and arrogance they’ve shown is the key reason for division.

They could have attacked the situation differently when they went on the rent strike.

Agree with that, a lot of it comes down to who has the best PR ;) They have just outright not given a shit, others have tried to romance the fans while clearly not giving a shit either.
 

Joy Division

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SISU aren't the club though are they?

What stunt exactly? The club saying that they are in a rock hard situation and have no choice? That's the reality of it.

This is where the confusion is from my initial question about when 'the club' distanced themselves from SISU. Tim Fisher's recent statements in the media have distanced himself from SISU and says he acts on behalf of CCFC yet back in 2014 he was very supportive of the legal action against the council.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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No I go to support CCFC because that's who I have supported since I was born and went to games growing up. If 1000 city fans went to watch Villa every week it doesn't mean I should, same with Cov Sphinx and Cov United.

You can't transfer things like that to different clubs, I couldn't go and watch another match and jump about like a twat if they score.

But in that case you're looking at the legal sense of what is or isn't Coventry City, not the spiritual which going by what you've posted is what you care about.

Aren't AFC Wimbledon now recognised as 1988 FA Cup winners?
 

Nick

Administrator
This is where the confusion is from my initial question about when 'the club' distanced themselves from SISU. Tim Fisher's recent statements in the media have distanced himself from SISU and says he acts on behalf of CCFC yet back in 2014 he was very supportive of the legal action against the council.

That still doesn't say they are the same thing though does it?

What I don't get is why people would be so eager to make out that SISU is the same thing as CCFC?
 

NortonSkyBlue

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And round we go again.....
It's Groundhog Day every day on here.
How about instead of expending so much energy on blame we look at potential solutions, affirmative actions and engagement?
It's our club and we need to unite to ensure it stays as our club.
 

Liquid Gold

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And round we go again.....
It's Groundhog Day every day on here.
How about instead of expending so much energy on blame we look at potential solutions, affirmative actions and engagement?
It's our club and we need to unite to ensure it stays as our club.
The Trust need to put out a statement supporting the club.
 

Nick

Administrator
But in that case you're looking at the legal sense of what is or isn't Coventry City, not the spiritual which going by what you've posted is what you care about.

Aren't AFC Wimbledon now recognised as 1988 FA Cup winners?

Are they? I hadn't heard anything about it.
 

HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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But in that case you're looking at the legal sense of what is or isn't Coventry City, not the spiritual which going by what you've posted is what you care about.

Aren't AFC Wimbledon now recognised as 1988 FA Cup winners?
Yeah but that was due to a dispute as to who could be regarded “Wimbledon” as they technically never folded - if Coventry City go bust and close the history dies with it.

EDIT: no AFC Wimbledon are not officially the FA cup winners - they stated “its what they believe”
 
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Nick

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And round we go again.....
It's Groundhog Day every day on here.
How about instead of expending so much energy on blame we look at potential solutions, affirmative actions and engagement?
It's our club and we need to unite to ensure it stays as our club.

People won't unite when people want to push that SISU is the same thing as CCFC and don't want to realise it really isnt.

While people think CCFC is SISU, they are happy for it to go to shit to show SISU.

People need to realise they can get behind CCFC and it doesn't mean they are supporting SISU for starters.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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That still doesn't say they are the same thing though does it?

What I don't get is why people would be so eager to make out that SISU is the same thing as CCFC?

Who was awarded the 'golden share'?
 

skybluetony176

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This is where it's about understanding the control bit.

I wouldn't be a car if I drove it into somebody on the pavement. It would be me controlling the car.

How does SISU having significant control over the club make them the club? It's like somebody going round with a puppet touching people up and saying "it was the puppet, not me".

Like I said. When suits.
 

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