The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

And how about Juncker sorting out the tax dodge for companies registered in Luxembourg?

Again, I've already answered that and not sure you're going to find many thinking it is right. We have plenty of the same thing going on here as though.

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh no I'm building to an answer - how many?

Stop being a prick trying to set someone up for a fall and make your point. If it’s as smart as you think it is you wouldn’t need to set someone up for a fall.

 

[Astute]

Again, I've already answered that and not sure you're going to find many thinking it is right. We have plenty of the same thing going on here as though.

So how is he in charge of the EU?

Just shows how corrupt the whole thing is.

 

[Sick Boy]

So how is he in charge of the EU?

Just shows how corrupt the whole thing is.

The whole thing is not corrupt. In the grand scheme of things it is very young and will improve over time. Wherever there is people there is going to be corruption, sadly it's human nature. There's plenty of it going on here.

 

[Grendel]

Dodging my question I see...

No that's you when I asked your personal view on Catalonia.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

You have been reading too much pro EU crap.

If the EU had the people as it's best intentions it would all go well. But they are more interested in the gravy train continuing. They don't care about the Spanish getting attacked by the police. Catalonia generates over 25% of Spains wealth. Spain would be an even bigger basket case without Catalonia. So the EU does nothing.

So you think that the EU won't allow us to holiday throughout the EU when many depend on us going there? Or we won't be able to live there if we can afford it? As in not work but spend our wealth there?

When it comes to reading EU crap...think about the banana regulations. They were portrayed in our media as mad establishment interference. In reality they are designed as protectionist measures...EU bananas tend to have a certain different consistency to the Carribean ones apparently...so it protected the EU internal market economy - rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly. So ultimately the EU DOES concern itself & care about the same Spanish (general term) who are being hit with batons.

Your final point is true the world over...if you have money to spend - you're more than welcome 'here', otherwise f**k-off!!!

That has been the same throughput time the world over. You're always welcome everywhere until it is decided you're taking the piss & have nothing (even intent is welcomed to a degree) to offer.

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[SkyblueBazza]

They've already said that preserving the integrity of the single market is more important.

Just words...behind the scenes they will be shitting themselves because a bad Brexit spells bad outcomes for them

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[Sick Boy]

Just words...behind the scenes they will be shitting themselves because a bad Brexit spells bad outcomes for them

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As it will do to Britain as well.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Dodging my question I see...

Which dodged his question lol

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[SkyblueBazza]

As it will do to Britain as well.

Yes - but the nation has decided

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[martcov]

Anger and spite?

Juncker allowed companies to register in Luxembourg. They have many more companies registered than they have residents. Now the EU are looking into the lack of tax being paid by companies registered in Luxembourg. How happy do you think he is?

Spain are getting their police to attack their own residents. The reason for this? They don't want their residents to have freedom of speech or the right to vote.

Oh yes all is well in the EU.

Actually yes. If the EU are investigating tax dodging or dumping tax rates, then good on them.

Juncker has nothing to do with the situation in Spain. Take that up with the Spanish government and check the Spanish constitution as to what is legal or not. Difficult question for everyone.

Catalonia has always seen itself as different to Spain. To blame the history of Catalonia on Juncker or the EU is crazy.

 

[martcov]

Isn't it a bit ironic that you say we should continue to let anyone from the EU to come and live here although we already have a severe housing shortage when you don't even live here yourself.

The housing shortage has several causes. One of which is UK prosperity. If you sacrifice almost full employment to bring housing prices down, then you are simply moving the problem sideways and creating other problems.

I don't live there at the moment, so I have helped in my own way in your world. If I came home because of the fall out from Brexit ( plus well over a million other Brits ), I would come to a poorer country and need a house. Great problem solving.

 

[martcov]

Yes - but the nation has decided

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52% of those who bothered to vote have decided for the rest of the population. Hardly a decisive victory.

 

[martcov]

Which dodged his question lol

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I have to answer Grendel's questions, but he doesn't have to answer mine. Sounds fair..... or perhaps not...

 

[martcov]

You are the one that always dodges the same question. The same as others that has the same views as yourself.

How do we sort out the housing crisis in the UK when you want us to continue to let anyone from the EU to come and live here when we already have millions of homeless people?

And blaming the Tories is not an answer.

Build houses? The Tories have to take some of the blame. Juncker doesn't rule the UK, a group of squabbling Tories do, and their predecessors have done so for a few years now. Where are the solutions to your question? Blame the EU? That's far too easy and doesn't solve the root problem - not enough state built affordable homes.

 

[Sick Boy]

There will still be people on here blaming the EU for the countries' woes in 10 years time. "They stitched us up", "the deal wasn't good enough" "I thought Trump was looking out for us" etc etc. It'll always be the fault of someone else.

 

[Astute]

Actually yes. If the EU are investigating tax dodging or dumping tax rates, then good on them.

Juncker has nothing to do with the situation in Spain. Take that up with the Spanish government and check the Spanish constitution as to what is legal or not. Difficult question for everyone.

Catalonia has always seen itself as different to Spain. To blame the history of Catalonia on Juncker or the EU is crazy.

So where did I mention Juncker and Spain?

Juncker was running Luxembourg when they were signing up tax haven deals with multinational companies so they could dodge paying billions of tax each. Now the EU is saying these deals are illegal. Strangely enough there has been no word from Juncker on the matter.

He should be called up to explain his part in it and say why he allowed it to happen. But yet again it will be something swept under the carpet.

 

[Sick Boy]

So where did I mention Juncker and Spain?

Juncker was running Luxembourg when they were signing up tax haven deals with multinational companies so they could dodge paying billions of tax each. Now the EU is saying these deals are illegal. Strangely enough there has been no word from Juncker on the matter.

He should be called up to explain his part in it and say why he allowed it to happen. But yet again it will be something swept under the carpet.

Happens all over the world and of course he should be held to account.

 

[martcov]

So where did I mention Juncker and Spain?

Juncker was running Luxembourg when they were signing up tax haven deals with multinational companies so they could dodge paying billions of tax each. Now the EU is saying these deals are illegal. Strangely enough there has been no word from Juncker on the matter.

He should be called up to explain his part in it and say why he allowed it to happen. But yet again it will be something swept under the carpet.

If you say so.

 

[Astute]

Build houses? The Tories have to take some of the blame. Juncker doesn't rule the UK, a group of squabbling Tories do, and their predecessors have done so for a few years now. Where are the solutions to your question? Blame the EU? That's far too easy and doesn't solve the root problem - not enough state built affordable homes.

You tried to blame the Tories until I mentioned that Labour have been in charge for 13 of the last 20 years.

But as I have said countless times trying to lay the blame on someone doesn't solve the problem. We have millions of homeless already. And a population growing by nearly half a million each year.

So what do you say we should do about the homeless situation other than let anyone from the EU to come and live here?

 

[Astute]

Happens all over the world and of course he should be held to account.

But can you see it happening?

No neither can I or nobody else that is being truthful. It is just another reason why people are waking up to how bad the EU system is.

 

[clint van damme]

The real point here is that it's utterly absurd for the eu not to agree a free trade deal without strings as it's in all members interests. The only reason they wouldn't would be anger and spite - not exactly the type of rational approach you want in your politicians.

or an unwavering belive in a Federal Europe which the BDI seems to have:

Plan for a hard Brexit, German firms told

there's a more detailed article on Reuters but I can't find it, it's a position I find strange to be honest but it doesn't bode well for us.

 

[Astute]

If you say so.

If I say what?

 

[martcov]

How many free trade agreements do the eu have?

European Union free trade agreements - Wikipedia

 

[martcov]

If I say what?

That it will be swept under the carpet. You seem to be well up on future actions.

 

[Astute]

or an unwavering belive in a Federal Europe which the BDI seems to have:

Plan for a hard Brexit, German firms told

there's a more detailed article on Reuters but I can't find it, it's a position I find strange to be honest but it doesn't bode well for us.

It is all words.

Look at the best that could happen. Look at the worst that could happen. Then look somewhere in the middle for where we should be.

 

[Sick Boy]

But can you see it happening?

No neither can I or nobody else that is being truthful. It is just another reason why people are waking up to how bad the EU system is.

It goes on all over the world!!

 

[Sick Boy]

or an unwavering belive in a Federal Europe which the BDI seems to have:

Plan for a hard Brexit, German firms told

there's a more detailed article on Reuters but I can't find it, it's a position I find strange to be honest but it doesn't bode well for us.

Careful, you'll get accused of believing in Father Christmas.

 

[Astute]

That it will be swept under the carpet. You seem to be well up on future actions.

How about a bet for charity. As much as you like. I say nothing will happen to Juncker and that his part will be swept under the carpet. You say he will have to answer to what he has been involved in.

 

[skybluetony176]

Saw it on question time again last night. Brexit isn’t looking as easy as it was made out it would be and it’s the remainers fault.

If *if* brexit happens up being the best thing that ever happened to the country I’ll gladly eat a big slice of humble pie and shake the hand of anyone who voted out while admitting I got it wrong. By the same token if it’s the almighty fuck up I expect it to be don’t blame me for voting remain. You (the out voter) voted for it, whatever brexit ends up being it’s your fault. If it’s positive you can deservedly take the credit for it. If it’s negative you’re going to have to take responsibility for it.

 

[Astute]

It goes on all over the world!!

So that makes it OK for it to happen in the EU and the person in charge of the EU to be involved?

 

[martcov]

You are the one that always dodges the same question. The same as others that has the same views as yourself.

How do we sort out the housing crisis in the UK when you want us to continue to let anyone from the EU to come and live here when we already have millions of homeless people?

And blaming the Tories is not an answer.

I have posted a link as answer to Grendel‘s question about trade deals. Await Grendel‘s revelations...

As regards his question about what I think about Catalonia. I repeat I don’t have an opinion on who is right or wrong. Just hope they find a way out, but it seems populism is at work which blinds people to the bigger picture. If Spain were to vote as a whole 52:48 for unity, but Catalonia voted for disunity, would you say the majority have decided, move on? Or, as in the case of Scotland and Northern Ireland would you say that the country as a whole has voted and the regions have to accept that? It’s democracy, get over it...?

 

[clint van damme]

Saw it on question time again last night. Brexit isn’t looking as easy as it was made out it would be and it’s the remainers fault.

If *if* brexit happens up being the best thing that ever happened to the country I’ll gladly eat a big slice of humble pie and shake the hand of anyone who voted out while admitting I got it wrong. By the same token if it’s the almighty fuck up I expect it to be don’t blame me for voting remain. You (the out voter) voted for it, whatever brexit ends up being it’s your fault. If it’s positive you can deservedly take the credit for it. If it’s negative you’re going to have to take responsibility for it.

the amount of people who have told me we all need to get behind it now it's happened for the good of the country yet the tories are trying to oust their leader in the middle of negotiations!
If May goes they need to change pretty much the whole negotiating team in my opinion. Fox and Davis are useless.

 

[martcov]

So how is he in charge of the EU?

Just shows how corrupt the whole thing is.

No one person is in charge of the EU. Where do you get that from? The Sun?

 

[martcov]

How about a bet for charity. As much as you like. I say nothing will happen to Juncker and that his part will be swept under the carpet. You say he will have to answer to what he has been involved in.

Does he have immunity? Can it be lifted? Has he done anything illegal? He didn’t own Luxemburg.