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shmmeee

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SHUNT31

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sj007 said:
He's clearly a good player because he's scored a ton of goals last season and had good records at other clubs.

This season has been very stop-start for him. First couple of months he was in and out as Haji, BTA, Bassette all competing. I think he had a couple of good games, particularly against Luton at home, then I think he was injured and didn't play again under Robins. Under Lampard, he's scored goals in 3-5-2 but not so much in a 4-3-3.

As for what he's good at, I do think he wins headers and brings others into play. His touch isn't great, he's not aggressive enough and he's a confidence player, which all do hold him back. Maybe his strengths are more his natural assets rather than skill but that's fine.

At this level, he's a good striker if you can either play to his strengths or have a team that compliments him. He's not a world beater. He's definitely got limitations but at our level, that's standard. The point is, he's shown he can score goals in the Championship.
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A ton of goals? He scored 13 in 46 of which, 3 were against Rotherham (worst away side in championship history).

You’ve got to be joking with the wins headers part? He wins nothing in the air. Usually mistimes the jump by about a minute and when it’s timed right, weak as piss. As for his link up play, it’s non-existent.

This system we play should suit him to a tee. You’ve just contradicted yourself, as you’ve said he wins headers. We cross the ball more than anyone in the league and have scored more headers than anyone in Europe yet he’s done fuck all. He’s a god awful footballer which would be fine if he was scoring goals by using his height and physicality. But he gives us nothing.

Boro at home, last game of season, they had a spell during second half and we’d hit it long to try and get the defence and midfield up the pitch but it kept just coming back because he couldn’t keep hold of it. As soon as BTA came on, we could get up the pitch and relieve the pressure. I genuinely think that game was the last straw for Lampard.

He scores 1 in 4. That’s good for this level? Like I said, 13 in 46 is last season is hardly prolific is it. He’s poor for this standard and he should be one of the first they are trying to offload.
 
Houchens Head

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I read today that both Ipswich and Lesturd are showing an interest in Wright. I reckon he'll go to either one of those.
 
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Skyblueabo1111 said:
"Simms only joined the Sky Blues in the summer from Premier League side Everton, joining for a reported fee of £3.5 million, which could rise to £8 million in add-ons.".. what do you think the add-ons were dipstick?
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You're quite odd aren't you?
 
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Wright would still be marketable and we could probably get our investment back, Simms will be lucky to play at Championship level again . Get rid for me and their bandaged sidekick, all substandard if we want to progress.
 
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samccov1987 said:
Fair play to him for that. Thanking the fans and acknowledging he ain’t been at the races .
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Yeah without meaning to interrupt the Souness-Pogba action on this thread, I can’t actually remember one of our players being so open/upfront about their own underperformance.
 
shmmeee

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SBT said:
Yeah without meaning to interrupt the Souness-Pogba action on this thread, I can’t actually remember one of our players being so open/upfront about their own underperformance.
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Eccles a couple of years back IIRC
 
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SHUNT31 said:
A ton of goals? He scored 13 in 46 of which, 3 were against Rotherham (worst away side in championship history).

You’ve got to be joking with the wins headers part? He wins nothing in the air. Usually mistimes the jump by about a minute and when it’s timed right, weak as piss. As for his link up play, it’s non-existent.

This system we play should suit him to a tee. You’ve just contradicted yourself, as you’ve said he wins headers. We cross the ball more than anyone in the league and have scored more headers than anyone in Europe yet he’s done fuck all. He’s a god awful footballer which would be fine if he was scoring goals by using his height and physicality. But he gives us nothing.

Boro at home, last game of season, they had a spell during second half and we’d hit it long to try and get the defence and midfield up the pitch but it kept just coming back because he couldn’t keep hold of it. As soon as BTA came on, we could get up the pitch and relieve the pressure. I genuinely think that game was the last straw for Lampard.

He scores 1 in 4. That’s good for this level? Like I said, 13 in 46 is last season is hardly prolific is it. He’s poor for this standard and he should be one of the first they are trying to offload.
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13 in 46 in the league, 19 in 52 in all comps. We can discount his goals against any teams that suit your narrative though mate.

I certainly think he wins the ball in the air and has a presence. However, I think his touch is erratic and he's not clinical enough. Not sure how it's contradictory to say he wins headers but scores more in a front 2. My point is hes got a better goal scoring record when not playing as lone striker and I think theres something systematic about that rather than coincidence. Could be as simple as him not understanding the lone striker role as well and finding himself in goal scoring positions or could be more tactical and he's coached to drag defenders away.

Agree BTA was immense when he came on against Boro. BTA is a more explosive player, came on fresh and made a difference. But, I'd rather we keep Simms.

You'd think, Simms hasn't peaked given his age and attributes. So, if you've got a striker who's currently shown he can score a good number of goals at this level (granted not prolific), is still improving as he's not peaked, has got attributes which hes not making the best of, your business model is to coach the players you buy into better players...and then if you can get him to realise this potential he's at the level of player befitting a top 4 championship side, I'd say that's exactly what you do. Unless of course, you've lined up an upgrade who you're confident is going to do better for you which I don't think is that easy to achieve.
 
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Nice to read he knows he’s been useless but that doesn’t help our cause in the long run. Terrible touch, inability in the air, no confidence, not that quick.
Been desperate for him to do better and generally I’d rather have him than BTA but that says more about Brandon than him.
 
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Watch the highlights of the games where we played 5-3-2 and you’ll see that there is a player in Simms

Lampards preferred system just doesn’t suit him at all

If I was a team playing 2 up top I’d be in for Simms - just a doubt whether those teams (only Derby spring to mind) can afford him
 
SHUNT31

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sj007 said:
13 in 46 in the league, 19 in 52 in all comps. We can discount his goals against any teams that suit your narrative though mate.

I certainly think he wins the ball in the air and has a presence. However, I think his touch is erratic and he's not clinical enough. Not sure how it's contradictory to say he wins headers but scores more in a front 2. My point is hes got a better goal scoring record when not playing as lone striker and I think theres something systematic about that rather than coincidence. Could be as simple as him not understanding the lone striker role as well and finding himself in goal scoring positions or could be more tactical and he's coached to drag defenders away.

Agree BTA was immense when he came on against Boro. BTA is a more explosive player, came on fresh and made a difference. But, I'd rather we keep Simms.

You'd think, Simms hasn't peaked given his age and attributes. So, if you've got a striker who's currently shown he can score a good number of goals at this level (granted not prolific), is still improving as he's not peaked, has got attributes which hes not making the best of, your business model is to coach the players you buy into better players...and then if you can get him to realise this potential he's at the level of player befitting a top 4 championship side, I'd say that's exactly what you do. Unless of course, you've lined up an upgrade who you're confident is going to do better for you which I don't think is that easy to achieve.
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Break the record down, it’s poor. 26 goals in 99 appearances, isn’t discounting any goals he’s scored. Had a purple patch last year granted, but even then was he really that convincing? I’ve been consistent with my opinion on him since day one. Albeit agree that I thought if he could improve then he could become good. I do disagree in that I do not think he’s improved at all, if I’m honest.

My point about BTA was that not only did he use his pace but he also backed up into his man, held the ball up allowing us to bring others into play and get us up the pitch. Simms does not have the desire or ability to do that. Genuinely, think the Luton and Boro game were enough for Lampard.

We can discuss whether or not it’s a system issue (I don’t think it is) but that’s irrelevant anyway. Lampard has his way he wants us to play. If Simms is not willing or capable to adapt to this system, then he needs to be moved on. I’ve said it numerous times this season but he should be thriving in the way we play. He’s a poor all round footballer but you don’t have to be world class to be a bully in the box. He’s so static and barely challenges for anything.

There will be a lot of decent upgrades on him and I would bet their wages would be less too. If we can get close to breakeven then sell. Like I said, he’s been here two years now and there’s been no improvement imo.

If someone gave you the option to sign him again based on what we know now, I guarantee 99% of the fan base would say no thanks and that we can get better elsewhere.
 
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DazzleTommyDazzle

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Simms doesn't seem able to win the ball in the air from clearances etc. As has been said, he seems unable to time his jumps much of the time.

However he does seem to do better in the penalty area.

As I recall, he scored (at least) a couple of headers from corners this season.

Perhaps it's part of that thing where he just doesn't look convincing with his back to goal?
 
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DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Simms doesn't seem able to win the ball in the air from clearances etc. As has been said, he seems unable to time his jumps much of the time.

However he does seem to do better in the penalty area.

As I recall, he scored (at least) a couple of headers from corners this season.

Perhaps it's part of that thing where he just doesn't look convincing with his back to goal?
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TBH with you though he can look good when he gets turned and drives forward with the ball, it's just that he can't turn in a tight space. We really need that central striker to be able to receive the ball with their back to goal and be comfortable with it, ideally happy to drop off almost into a 10 position to drag a centre back out.
 
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This talk of there being “a player in Simms”. When can expect them to emerge? He’s an average player who will get streaks of goals. There’s nothing wrong with that and while we’re in the Championship it’s useful. But I’m not convinced there is much progress to be had.
 
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