I mean re: funding, is there land to build a retail site and a training ground with a stadium? Could It be like the Ricoh and selling of a chunk of land to Tesco? They paid 60 million, that would fund a stadium surely?
I mean wasn’t the Ricoh over priced? I’m sure a football stadium in the region of 20-25k can be built for under 60 million for example - surely we could attract naming rights at a decentish sum. We’re not talking a 1 billion Tottenham stadiumIirc the Tesco deal didnt cover the entire cost of the Ricoh, it certainly contributed a big proportion of it though. I think the main issues around the Woodlands site would be the suitability of a large scale development and whether the roads could take the traffic.
Write your best with Grammarly.What pisses me off as desperation kicks in reality disappears and I can’t believe sisu haven’t if they are serious haven’t done oodles of homework and I can’t believe have chosen this site, there’s just about every negative possible,
listed buildings,
Poor infrastructure
Poor public transport
Poor parking,
You cannot seriously compare Masseys and it’s traffic with a new stadium first there was a huge car park at the back of the plant and obvious there were two rush hours day and lorry traffic but that grew over time from before the war, starting when there were few cars. Eastern Green estate didn’t exist intil the 70s, I remember that being fields right through to Allesley.
I’m not anti a new stadium and I don’t care where it is so long as it’s inside Cov. All I want is a proposal that’s for real not just words. There’s been over a year to develop plans, designs, who is building it and timescale. I suspect the EFL will want that too.
In fairness to sisu they didn’t announce this themselves when they do I expect some meat in the bones.
I had a look last night and I can't find anywhere on the council website that shows cabinet approval. Can you point me in the right direction.
Given the time the council have been claimed to be sat on this proposal from the club, something the council haven't denied, I sincerely hope they aren't stalling until they can get an alternative plan together that prevents the site being used for a stadium.
I had a look last night and I can't find anywhere on the council website that shows cabinet approval. Can you point me in the right direction.
Given the time the council have been claimed to be sat on this proposal from the club, something the council haven't denied, I sincerely hope they aren't stalling until they can get an alternative plan together that prevents the site being used for a stadium.
I couldnt say if it were overpriced or not. From what i do know i suspect it was an expensive venture given the site. Id therefore agee that in theory an easier site should allow for a cheaper build of a stadium.I mean wasn’t the Ricoh over priced? I’m sure a football stadium in the region of 20-25k can be built for under 60 million for example - surely we could attract naming rights at a decentish sum. We’re not talking a 1 billion Tottenham stadium
JR3 - SISU vs the special schoolSisu are saying they’ve been looking at woodlands for over a year so call it April 2018, consultation for the new school development started October 2018, guessing it was being looked at long before October, either Sisu already knew there was no chance of getting the land but have just mentioned it so it looks like they’re trying to do something or like you say, Sisu approached the council first about woodlands and the school development plan went in after Sisu,s, looks like the council have 2 options for woodlands, doesn’t look good for a new ground though does it, new special education school or new football stadium, interesting though 15 million to develop it as a school what would a football stadium cost, surely out of sisu’s price range ?
What pisses me off as desperation kicks in reality disappears and I can’t believe sisu haven’t if they are serious haven’t done oodles of homework and I can’t believe have chosen this site, there’s just about every negative possible,
listed buildings,
Poor infrastructure
Poor public transport
Poor parking,
You cannot seriously compare Masseys and it’s traffic with a new stadium first there was a huge car park at the back of the plant and obvious there were two rush hours day and lorry traffic but that grew over time from before the war, starting when there were few cars. Eastern Green estate didn’t exist intil the 70s, I remember that being fields right through to Allesley.
I’m not anti a new stadium and I don’t care where it is so long as it’s inside Cov. All I want is a proposal that’s for real not just words. There’s been over a year to develop plans, designs, who is building it and timescale. I suspect the EFL will want that too.
In fairness to sisu they didn’t announce this themselves when they do I expect some meat in the bones.
Are you sure about that? Hasn't there been many issues with the junction with the A45 causing traffic hold ups, including week ends?
I think it used to work better before the "improvements".. Maybe that would be part of the infrastructure issues and costs.
Let's not play stupid and pretend the council couldn't make things very difficult for the club if they wanted to. 6 weeks for an email reply wasn't it?
Doing a bit of digging online it seems the school closed in July 2016. There was a suggestion to mothball it so it could be reopened as a school at a later date if the demand was there. That doesn't seem to have happened with the education minister describing it as 'very uneconomical'.Of course the council wouldn't do such a thing
You could fit both on the site, doesn't have to be one or the other. As has been shown in this thread you can fit a stadium in without touching the existing buildings the council want to bring back in to use.looks like the council have 2 options for woodlands, doesn’t look good for a new ground though does it, new special education school or new football stadium, interesting though 15 million to develop it as a school what would a football stadium cost, surely out of sisu’s price range ?
Council Minutes 30/10/2018 Agenda item - One Strategic Plan - SEND Proposal for the use of the Woodlands Site
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Report of the Deputy Chief Executive (People)
Minutes:
The Cabinet considered a report of the Deputy Chief Executive (People) that sought in principal approval to co-locate Woodfield Primary and Secondary Schools to the site previously occupied by Woodlands School, Broad Lane, Coventry.
Under Section 14 of the Education Act 1996, Coventry City Council had a statutory duty to ensure sufficient school places and fair, appropriate access to education for all. It was the Council’s role to plan, commission and organise school places in a way that raised standards, managed supply and demand and created a diverse infrastructure.
Cabinet, at their meeting on 2nd October 2018 (minute 46 referred), approved in principle the draft One Strategic Plan and agreed that this should now be consulted on. The One Strategic Plan set out pupil forecasts for primary and secondary across education planning areas in response to rising or falling pupil cohorts across the city. It outlined the strategy proposed by the Local Authority and the Coventry Secondary Headteacher Partnership to meet the additional places required in secondary provision from 2019 – 2021.
The One Strategic Plan also outlined the strategy to meet the growing demand for places for children with special educational needs and disabilities including provision for children age 5 to 16, with complex social, emotional and behavioural difficulties. This specialist provision was currently delivered by Woodfield Special School from two separate sites. It was acknowledged that the existing school buildings were deemed unsuitable for purpose in the long term and had insufficient capacity to meet the growing demand.
An opportunity had arisen to re-use the site which contained listed buildings, previously occupied by Woodlands School, to co-locate Woodfield School, in its entirety. This would provide a future proofed fit for purpose educational environment, offering a full range of facilities including sport to learners, with the capacity for the provision to grow. The potential utilisation of the ‘Woodlands site’ enabled the physical separation of phases specifically primary and secondary to ensure that pupils from either phase were able to benefit from age appropriate curriculum and resources. The site security and design would ensure that pupils would only be able to access their own internal and external learning environment.
The report set out how the relocation could be facilitated and sought an “in principle” approval to proceed with a detailed feasibility study, consultation and, if appropriate, present final proposals for Council consideration and decision.
RESOLVED that the Cabinet:
1) Approves the principle of refurbishing the existing Woodlands School site to provide a new home for the existing Woodfield Primary and Secondary schools, the potential subsequent relocation of the Woodfield schools to the Woodlands site, and to apply for planning/listed building consent in order to be able to implement the proposals if a subsequent detailed feasibility study is approved by a future Cabinet and Council.
2) Approves the proposal to pursue planning consent for residential use and subsequent disposal, subject to consent being granted, of the current Woodfield Primary (Stoneleigh Road) and Secondary (Hawthorne Lane) sites and to “ring fence” the receipts towards the costs of implementing recommendation 1) above.
3) Undertakes all necessary consultation with families, the wider education community and all statutory bodies on the proposals set out in recommendation 1) above and to bring the outcome of the consultations and feasibility study, along with the financial implications of any final proposal, back to Cabinet and Council for consideration in making any final decision
If, and it’s a very big if, we believe Sisu have been in touch with the council since April 18 then it doesn’t look very good for the council, they’ve got a bit of form for this, talking to the club about buying the Ricoh just to give them more time to do a deal with wasps, this sounds like the same thing ?
It’s a tricky one redevelop a school or sell it to a dodgy hedge fund ?JR3 - SISU vs the special school
exactly, doesn’t look good does it,The thing is, Duggins slipped up in admitting that talks started a while ago about it.
I would say this is one of the better aspects of this site, 6 trains an hour stopping at tile hill which is a 20-30 min walk away.Poor public transport
You could fit both on the site, doesn't have to be one or the other. As has been shown in this thread you can fit a stadium in without touching the existing buildings the council want to bring back in to use.
Didn’t bother them selling to a dodgy hedge fund when they sold the Ricoh to wasps...It’s a tricky one redevelop a school or sell it to a dodgy hedge fund ?
Masseys traffic was 240 days a year or so taking into account shutdowns etc, so it is comparable in the sense that is dwarfs 25 events a year.
Agree though, i'd like to see a genuine proposal
You do know that ACL was sold to a hedge fund, don't you?It’s a tricky one redevelop a school or sell it to a dodgy hedge fund ?
Sisu already knew there was no chance of getting the land but have just mentioned it so it looks like they’re trying to do something or
Sisu stadium "masterplans" fill just two A4 pages council claims
Guessing this is the council's way of responding to the Open Letter
What doesn't add up though is why were SISU reps in the council a couple of weeks ago meeting with officers (confirmed by Duggins) if something hadn't been done from March 2018? Why were they meeting and working with them?
Then it's more "drop the legals".
Poor infrastructure
Poor public transport
Poor parking,
It's hilarious people just throwing problems at it straight away, we won't bother then, we'll just stop playing football shall we?
Its not like those bus things can go down most roads and their routes changed at all. I remember getting the "matchday" buses to the gasworks well before the Ricoh was there (not!) and wondering what car park C was used for (oh that's right, some tarmac was just stuck down specially!)
Michael Byng's consortium are still in the game, they've just made their proposal
Michael Byng's consortium are still in the game, they've just made their proposal
I like that it's 4 separate stands with 2 tiers and looks more traditional but the supporting pillars are a big no. Having a giant radiator outside the main stand instead of undersoil heating is brave.Michael Byng's consortium are still in the game, they've just made their proposal
I like that it's 4 separate stands with 2 tiers and looks more traditional but the supporting pillars are a big no.
To be fair it’s at least 2 A4 pages longer than the last stadium master plan so we’ll call it progress.
Two schools have been built immediately adjacent to the Olympic stadium since West Ham moved inYou could fit both on the site, doesn't have to be one or the other. As has been shown in this thread you can fit a stadium in without touching the existing buildings the council want to bring back in to use.
They're not problems with this site though, they're "problems" that will need sorting anywhere.In fairness most people are commenting on issues that would need to be addressed rather than saying it can't/shouldn't happen, to infer from that that we don't want CCFC playing football any more is quite a stretch. As I said earlier, i'm not a town planner but i'd expect work to certainly be required to make the site viable and that may well prove too big an issue in the end. Obviously a positive attitude from the Council is also required and looks very far from assured.
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