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Winning Championship without parachute payments (1 Viewer)

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SafeAsMilk

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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When was the last time this happened? Ipswich were second a couple of years back and there been a few through playoffs obviously… but who was the last team to win championship without any parachute money?
 

Bugsy

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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SafeAsMilk said:
When was the last time this happened? Ipswich were second a couple of years back and there been a few through playoffs obviously… but who was the last team to win championship without any parachute money?
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Think it was Leeds United's in 2019–20
Their title win came 16 years after their relegation from the Premier League, meaning they were no longer eligible for any parachute funding
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Leeds 19/20 and then Wolves in 17/18 - albeit Leeds were under Bielsa who was ridiculously good at this level and Wolves had just been taken over and threw stupid amounts of money at it anyway
 
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SleepyGinger

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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If we do it our story is as good as any.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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SleepyGinger said:
If we do it our story is as good as any.
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The 10 year journey from near oblivion is a story worth telling.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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When last time the top 2 were non paruchute clubs?
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Londonccfcfan said:
When last time the top 2 were non paruchute clubs?
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2014:15? Bournemouth and Watford
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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shmmeee said:
2014:15? Bournemouth and Watford
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Ive asked ai and they dont think its happened before.

Closest was 2016-17.

When 2 of 3 were non parachute and huddesfield through play offs.
Newcastke being onky team with parachutes finishing 2nd.
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Good chance of 3 non parachute teams this season
 
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skybluecam

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Londonccfcfan said:
Ive asked ai and they dont think its happened before.
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That means it almost certainly has happened
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Londonccfcfan said:
Ive asked ai and they dont think its happened before.

Closest was 2016-17.

When 2 of 3 were non parachute and huddesfield through play offs.
Newcastke being onky team with parachutes finishing 2nd.
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Oh haha my answer is also from AI
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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skybluecam said:
That means it almost certainly has happened
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Yes it definately has.

As there was a time when parachute payments were not a thing.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Parachute payments weren’t as big of a deal pre-2015 or 2016 (whenever that massive Prem TV deal came into effect) but they have been hugely impactful since Covid with Ipswich being the only team not in receipt of parachute payments to be promoted automatically.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Parachute system has also changed a lot. IIRC post 2015/16 it was front loaded more
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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SleepyGinger said:
Good chance of 3 non parachute teams this season
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Very good chance if Ipswich dont get another 40 points minimum from what 15 games. Thats some going.
 

skybluecam

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Londonccfcfan said:
Very good chance if Ipswich dont get another 40 points minimum from what 15 games. Thats some going.
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They don't need 40 points lol, 30 maybe

Suspect they'd win the playoffs in any case tbh
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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shmmeee said:
2014:15? Bournemouth and Watford
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This is correct BTW I’ve confirmed on Wikipedia. For questions like this don’t use a small model like the free ChatGPT or Googles search AI, use a proper pro model with deep research capability.
 

TomRad85

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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skybluecam said:
They don't need 40 points lol, 30 maybe

Suspect they'd win the playoffs in any case tbh
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Not sure they'll be in a rush to play Wrexham again.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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skybluecam said:
They don't need 40 points lol, 30 maybe

Suspect they'd win the playoffs in any case tbh
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Wtf my maths. Your right. Buzzbuster
 

Lamps

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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skybluecam said:
They don't need 40 points lol, 30 maybe

Suspect they'd win the playoffs in any case tbh
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We just don't know what anyone will need. Ipswich have a very difficult game next away to Watford.

But if they manage to get 2 PPG for the rest of the season that's 30 points, and they would end up on 84 points. If we manage 2 PPG we would end up on 91 points.

For a bit of perspective if Ipswich get 2 points a game and we only get 1.5 points a game we would beat them by half a point. So anything better than 1.5 points a game will put us in a very good position.
 
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Balli001

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Lamps said:
We just don't know what anyone will need. Ipswich have a very difficult game next away to Watford.

But if they manage to get 2 PPG for the rest of the season that's 30 points, and they would end up on 84 points. If we manage 2 PPG we would end up on 91 points.

For a bit of perspective if Ipswich get 2 points a game and we only get 1.5 points a game we would beat them by half a point. So anything better than 1.5 points a game will put us in a very good position.
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Exactly. Take Boro, they still have to go to Ipswich Birmingham and Wrexham
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Balli001 said:
Exactly. Take Boro, they still have to go to Ipswich Birmingham and Wrexham
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Our own home games are a mix of very tricky ones and ones you’d expect us to win. Away again there’s a mix of winnable and pretty daunting.

Boro have some tough away games to come, but I can’t see them dropping many at home. Ipswich that fixture pile up is tough going, no matter how stacked their squad is.
 
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SafeAsMilk

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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The last couple of games have calmed my fluttering heart... this'll be done just after easter and we can enjoy April immensely with a victory lap around the provinces
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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shmmeee said:
2014:15? Bournemouth and Watford
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Bournemouth were being bankrolled by a Russian millionaire who only brought the club by virtue of him owning a house in Sandbanks - Does annoy me when their rise to the Premier League gets labelled as some sort of fairytale when they spent millions to get there and broke FFP rules on the way there, in the season you mentioned
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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alexccfc99 said:
Bournemouth were being bankrolled by a Russian millionaire who only brought the club by virtue of him owning a house in Sandbanks - Does annoy me when their rise to the Premier League gets labelled as some sort of fairytale when they spent millions to get there and broke FFP rules on the way there, in the season you mentioned
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Yeah but not parachute payments. I’m not claiming they were skint.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Covkid1968# said:
The 10 year journey from near oblivion is a story worth telling.
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25 year really.

We would be the first club to go from the Premier League, all the way to the bottom, to then get all the way back up.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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shmmeee said:
Yeah but not parachute payments. I’m not claiming they were skint.
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Oh I know you wasn't I was just ranting
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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bigfatronssba said:
25 year really.

We would be the first club to go from the Premier League, all the way to the bottom, to then get all the way back up.
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Luton missed by a year but also went down further.
 

Ipad Boro

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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alexccfc99 said:
Leeds 19/20 and then Wolves in 17/18 - albeit Leeds were under Bielsa who was ridiculously good at this level and Wolves had just been taken over and threw stupid amounts of money at it anyway
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As well as Bielsa, Leeds had acquired minted owners for this level, their recruitment for that season meant it was clear they were going for it. Chucking 10M at us for Bamford the season before being an indicator of where they were going. He was a snip at that price too at the time considering he spearheaded their promotion bid, scored goals for fun in the PL the season they went up and got called up by England.

Still can't believe the dinosaur Pulis decided Paddy B was surplus to requirements for us, yet complete carthorse Gestede wasn't on account of him being a big lump so good at aiming a throw in at his head in the box apparently...
 
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ptr

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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When Middlesbrough won the league before they played us last week
 
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Ipad Boro

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Our own home games are a mix of very tricky ones and ones you’d expect us to win. Away again there’s a mix of winnable and pretty daunting.

Boro have some tough away games to come, but I can’t see them dropping many at home. Ipswich that fixture pile up is tough going, no matter how stacked their squad is.
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I'm hoping Ipswich get a rearranged fixture dumped in their lap for April 15th. I can dream...
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Ipad Boro said:
I'm hoping Ipswich get a rearranged fixture dumped in their lap for April 15th. I can dream...
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Make sure Hellberg knows how to do a rain dance if it gets iffy at Portman Road.
 
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Ipad Boro

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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skybluecam said:
They don't need 40 points lol, 30 maybe

Suspect they'd win the playoffs in any case tbh
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Ipswich could feasibly get 30 points and still miss out.
I agree that I don't think they'd need 40 though.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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Ipad Boro said:
Ipswich could feasibly get 30 points and still miss out.
I agree that I don't think they'd need 40 though.
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How many do we think?
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 23, 2026
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The reason I hoped expect something out of the ordinary is purely down to missing out from the PO's last season,those early draws didn't help, I thought they were fairly tepid.
 
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