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Who is to blame? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Feb 27, 2016
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #36
Have the new contracts for next season been offered yet? Maybe some who are not getting them are sulking or maybe the ones that have been offered them are:facepalm:
 

Otis

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #37
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Have the new contracts for next season been offered yet? Maybe some who are not getting them are sulking or maybe the ones that have been offered them are:facepalm:
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That's happened before. Players who have known they aren't being retained having a drop in form and desire.

Coleman did it didn't he? The numpty! Thought it was wise to tell players before the end of the season that they wouldn't be needed at the end of the season.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #38
Otis said:
That's happened before. Players who have known they aren't being retained having a drop in form and desire.

Coleman did it didn't he? The numpty! Thought it was wise to tell players before the end of the season that they wouldn't be needed at the end of the season.
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I am sure they said the other day that Joe Cole had been offered a deal but was considering a move abroad.

The club is still a shambles and the good start to the season has papered over the cracks.
 

Otis

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #39
Is there something to be said in regard to the fact that after we thrashed Crewe 5-0 we didn't then win for 5 games?

Beat Bury 6-0 and next game we're crap.

Arrogance perhaps? A notion that we are better than we think we are after these one off hammerings?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #40
The Lurker said:
So what is it then because you can't go from being top of league and spanking teams for fun to a side like yesterday who looked so lacklustre and no ideas.

You talking of promotion? Be lucky to make the playoffs at this rate.
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Leicester City seem to be a case in point that you can go from shite to great. If you think back to Leyton Orient a couple of seasons back they were coasting the league and then it all fell apart.

For a while for some reason the team had terrific synergy, was it simply playing staff or something off field? I guess a combination of the two. One things for sure though, things can go shit shaped over night and Tony has to get us back to the early season form asap if we are going to stick in the play offs.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #41
Perhaps it is a combination of two things overall...

1. Reality bites: many of us thought early in the season about making hay while the sun shines...& rather than looking at how far from promotion we were - how far from relegation we were! Perhaps we HAVE been in a slightly false position.

2. Numbers: as I said on another thread a while back. Waggott leaned the hard way to leave the football to those that know football. Is Anderson exerting unwelcome influence with his stats that TM cannot argue against with hard numbers? TM loses heart...the team sense it...performance suffers.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

italiahorse

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #42
Lack of investment by our owners (court cases not included) [SISU]

Team is too defensive and gives to much respect to other sides. [Mowbray]

Too many loan players. [SISU]
 

hill83

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #43
The Lurker said:
So 4 wins in 17 games is nothing to worry about?
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If you can point me to where I said that I'd be most grateful.
 

Nick

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  • Feb 28, 2016
  • #44
italiahorse said:
Lack of investment by our owners (court cases not included) [SISU]

Team is too defensive and gives to much respect to other sides. [Mowbray]

Too many loan players. [SISU]
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Don't we have a very competitive budget?
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Mar 1, 2016
  • #45
Four wins in eighteen since Anderson arrived.
 

Hobo

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  • Mar 2, 2016
  • #46
singers_pore said:
Absolutely. What's even sadder is when the fans continually blame manager after manager after manager and player after player after player without pointing a finger at the owner and her succession of yes men CEOs.

There is no question that the spirit and fight of the team and its management has dissipated over the last two months. Yes, they are professional sportsmen and should always try their best but they are also human and they respond to the environment in which they work.

The reality of running any business is that when the people at the top of the organization are clueless, the organization as a whole becomes dysfunctional from top to bottom. CCFC will never have prolonged success on the field until it gets things right off the field.

For the naysayers (Nick et al.) please name a single organization that has clueless ownership and yet which operates as a successful enterprise.
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Spot on.
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #47
4 wins in 19 games since Anderson arrived.
 

Gazolba

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #48
The Lurker said:
<snip>. Barnsley were 22 points behind us 3 months ago. <snip> Who is to blame?
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I don't think anyone at Cov is to blame for Barnsley's good run. Sometimes you just come up against a better team who you would lose to even if you were on a good run. As for our poor run there are many factors, you can't just point to one or two. And you probably cannot fix it by changing one thing.
 

Gazolba

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #49
Super Graham Withey said:
4 wins in 19 games since Anderson arrived.
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Just because A happens followed by B happening does not mean that A caused B.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #50
Gazolba said:
I don't think anyone at Cov is to blame for Barnsley's good run. Sometimes you just come up against a better team who you would lose to even if you were on a good run. As for our poor run there are many factors, you can't just point to one or two. And you probably cannot fix it by changing one thing.
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Are you sure?
Their three goals against us seem to have ignited what had been a disastrous season for them.
Our big time charlie, lack of proffessionalism started with that showing on that Tuesday night.
 

BackRoomRummermill

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #51
We have run out of steam which I did not expect
Why , must be a behind the scenes issue

Players don't become crap overnight
 

singers_pore

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #52
In all of Mowbray's interviews after the recent defeats he basically says "Oh well, it wasn't our day". He doesn't seem to show any real concern or passion and that's being mirrored by the players as well.
 
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thewards5579

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  • Mar 5, 2016
  • #53
He probably has an offer from a championship club already in, my guess is derby or one of the relegated geordie clubs more likely

Sent from my Harrier Mini from EE using Tapatalk
 
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4waspsting

Active Member
  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #54
Too may Cock Suckers that is a problem no twat can sort this out,be different next season most of the cunts will be gone can always start again with a full clean sheet ie players and manager / back room staff thats usually the norm solution from the directors. Then Sisu struggling for some cash
 
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dadgad

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #55
Exactly
It is not only obvious it is the same in any organisation.
Wouldn't surprise me that Maddison was sold to pay legal bills

singers_pore said:
Absolutely. What's even sadder is when the fans continually blame manager after manager after manager and player after player after player without pointing a finger at the owner and her succession of yes men CEOs.

There is no question that the spirit and fight of the team and its management has dissipated over the last two months. Yes, they are professional sportsmen and should always try their best but they are also human and they respond to the environment in which they work.

The reality of running any business is that when the people at the top of the organization are clueless, the organization as a whole becomes dysfunctional from top to bottom. CCFC will never have prolonged success on the field until it gets things right off the field.

For the naysayers (Nick et al.) please name a single organization that has clueless ownership and yet which operates as a successful enterprise.
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #56
thewards5579 said:
He probably has an offer from a championship club already in, my guess is derby or one of the relegated geordie clubs more likely

Sent from my Harrier Mini from EE using Tapatalk
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I don't think Tony Mowbray would even make a 50 man shortlist for Sunderland or Newcastle
 
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thewards5579

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  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #57
SlowerThanPlatt said:
I don't think Tony Mowbray would even make a 50 man shortlist for Sunderland or Newcastle
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He should of been around 19th for us brown we deserve and need better

Sent from my Harrier Mini from EE using Tapatalk
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #58
dadgad said:
Exactly
It is not only obvious it is the same in any organisation.
Wouldn't surprise me that Maddison was sold to pay legal bills
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Just like Wilson was.
 
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The Lurker

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  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #59
Gazolba said:
I don't think anyone at Cov is to blame for Barnsley's good run. Sometimes you just come up against a better team who you would lose to even if you were on a good run. As for our poor run there are many factors, you can't just point to one or two. And you probably cannot fix it by changing one thing.
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What are you saying? Yes Barnsley have been on a good run but we've been on a piss poor run, 2 wins in 15 matches is shocking! Whatever are the factors it's going to cost us a playoff place. Yet fans still think we're in a good position. It's laughable
 
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The Lurker

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  • Mar 6, 2016
  • #60
Gazolba said:
Just because A happens followed by B happening does not mean that A caused B.
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I think Anderson is more of an issue than people think. Look at the amount of contradictions between mowbary and Anderson. It's not good
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #61
The Lurker said:
I think Anderson is more of an issue than people think. Look at the amount of contradictions between mowbary and Anderson. It's not good
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Four wins in nineteen since Anderson arrived
 
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Chipfat

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  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #62
I cant see this all being on the players and manager, something has gone on they have lost heart, why? . I dont think they can escape the responsibility as pro's but something is not right.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #63
Chipfat said:
I cant see this all being on the players and manager, something has gone on they have lost heart, why? . I dont think they can escape the responsibility as pro's but something is not right.
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It keep comes back though that this has happened to Mowbray teams before, TWICE!

Was there something wrong behind the scenes there too, or is it just built into his make up?

If this is the 3rd time that worries the hell out of me and let's face it, if he had done this 3 times before, before we got him in here, we wouldn't have wanted to touch him with a barge pole!


This is looking very likely to be the 3rd time his teams have blown a place in the play-offs and slid down the table.

I just cannot get that out of my head. If he hasn't learnt after three occasions, will he ever?
 
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jimchin

Member
  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #64
Otis said:
It keep comes back though that this has happened to Mowbray teams before, TWICE!

Was there something wrong behind the scenes there too, or is it just built into his make up?

If this is the 3rd time that worries the hell out of me and let's face it, if he had done this 3 times before, before we got him in here, we wouldn't have wanted to touch him with a barge pole!


This is looking very likely to be the 3rd time his teams have blown a place in the play-offs and slid down the table.

I just cannot get that out of my head. If he hasn't learnt after three occasions, will he ever?
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Nope....evidently not, his sides obviously start well, get found out as the season progresses and he can't react....
 

higgs

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  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #65
If our owners spent some money on good players in our division for small fees and showed some ambition we might have a chance of getting out of this division. Loans and freebies are getting us no where we need investment
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #66
higgs said:
If our owners spent some money on good players in our division for small fees and showed some ambition we might have a chance of getting out of this division. Loans and freebies are getting us no where we need investment
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Don't we have good players for this league?
 

higgs

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  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #67
In hindsight I suppose they aren't much better than alot of players in our league when u see the likes of adjose winnall madden sharp scoring same kind of numbers of goals as arma then if we spent some money and got two goal scorers in we would have had chance instead we are left with maf and Henderson and tudgay to score the goals
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #68
Plenty of clubs stayed away from Mowbray while he was out of work.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 8, 2016
  • #69
higgs said:
In hindsight I suppose they aren't much better than alot of players in our league when u see the likes of adjose winnall madden sharp scoring same kind of numbers of goals as arma then if we spent some money and got two goal scorers in we would have had chance instead we are left with maf and Henderson and tudgay to score the goals
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But then it means playing two strikers every game
 
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rightumpty

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  • Mar 9, 2016
  • #70
We're trying to defend our record of not being in the play offs.
 
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