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What's your tipping point? (2 Viewers)

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  • Start date Jan 5, 2017
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Nick

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #106
torchomatic said:
In my experience the Football Family stuff is a myth. No one will care for them like no one cared about us.
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I didn't even really know about it until this thread.
 

tisza

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #107
Nick said:
I didn't even really know about it until this thread.
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no coincidence that the Guardian has been on this story for a while much like they were with ours.
Probably the only newspaper that realizes there is football outside the Premier League.
 
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pastythegreat

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #108
torchomatic said:
In my experience the Football Family stuff is a myth. No one will care for them like no one cared about us.
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Their fans don't deserve any care from anyone anyway! The stone Island brigade still think they're living in the 80s!

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pastythegreat

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #109
pastythegreat said:
Their fans don't deserve any care from anyone anyway! The stone Island brigade still think they're living in the 80s!

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There you have it otis, the word 'brigade' has been used AGAIN!!

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Moff

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #110
Ian1779 said:
Don't know whether you've seen it today but Millwall possibly being forced out of Lewisham by local council. If a case like this happened (which half has already to be fair) then I think that would still count as our team.
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clint van damme said:
it's disgraceful what's happening down there.
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Its shocking. Private Eye have highlighted several times how shoddy the whole situation is and how they are being screwed.
Unlike Sheff Utd fans who don't feel sympathy and empathy, Millwall fans have my sympathy on this issue
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #111
My tipping pint was Swindon at home in Jan 2015 a wet miserable night, live game on TV, no more than 6,000 Cov fans there despite the official crowd, outplayed hardly managed a shot lost 3-0. Losing or being outplayed in the rain is nothing new to a Cov fan but the whole matchday experience at the Ricoh is so depressing small crowds in a big stadium the walk up feels like its a friendly game, unfortunately it will only get worse as our crowds continue to fall, going out of compulsion rather than with excitement and expectation.
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #112
Nick said:
Seen that, it's weird how their trust is also questioning the council and blaming them rather than the "they dont own the club so cant ever damage it" approach.
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Because the situation is different. Lewisham Council are looking to regenerate the area and the land that the Den sits on fits in with their strategic planning. The clubs and its owners are blameless.
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #113
Nick said:
Seen that, it's weird how their trust is also questioning the council and blaming them rather than the "they dont own the club so cant ever damage it" approach.
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Because the situation is different. Lewisham Council are looking to regenerate the area and the land that the Den sits on fits in with their strategic planning. The clubs and its owners are blameless.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #114
Monners said:
Because the situation is different. Lewisham Council are looking to regenerate the area and the land that the Den sits on fits in with their strategic planning. The clubs and its owners are blameless.
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I've had debates too many times on here where people have said it will only be down to the club owners as they own them and no outside parties can influence or damage the club because they don't own it.
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #115
Nick said:
I've had debates too many times on here where people have said it will only be down to the club owners as they own them and no outside parties can influence or damage the club because they don't own it.
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My point is: Millwall FC are blameless - the Council is evicting them. CCFC owners are not blameless as they voluntarily moved the Club as a tactic to gain control of the stadium. The two situations are entirely different.

Are you saying that the two clubs as entities (CCFC and MFC - not the owners) have been fucked over by bad owners and Local Authorities respectively? If so, then yes - but the circumstances are different.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #116
Monners said:
My point is: Millwall FC are blameless - the Council is evicting them. CCFC owners are not blameless as they voluntarily moved the Club as a tactic to gain control of the stadium. The two situations are entirely different.

Are you saying that the two clubs as entities (CCFC and MFC - not the owners) have been fucked over by bad owners and Local Authorities respectively? If so, then yes - but the circumstances are different.
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CCFC owners are obviously not blameless, though neither are CCC.
 

tisza

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #117
What makes the Millwall situation unpleasant is the fact the development company involves several current and former council employees.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #118
Monners said:
My point is: Millwall FC are blameless - the Council is evicting them. CCFC owners are not blameless as they voluntarily moved the Club as a tactic to gain control of the stadium. The two situations are entirely different.

Are you saying that the two clubs as entities (CCFC and MFC - not the owners) have been fucked over by bad owners and Local Authorities respectively? If so, then yes - but the circumstances are different.
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Yes, circumstances are different.

My point is that people other than club's owners can damage clubs.
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #119
torchomatic said:
CCFC owners are obviously not blameless, though neither are CCC.
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I never said they were (as in CCC), I said that MFC are blameless, but Lewisham Council aren't - That the response I expected from Nick!
 

torchomatic

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #120
Monners said:
I never said they were (as in CCC), I said that MFC are blameless, but Lewisham Council aren't - That the response I expected from Nick!
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Or anyone who doesn't just blame one entity.
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #121
Nick said:
Yes, circumstances are different.

My point is that people other than club's owners can damage clubs.
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Yes, of course. But that was not the point I was making!!!!
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #122
Torch and Nick - stop being so paranoid and touchy - please fuck off and leave me alone :bag: :banghead: :bored: :wacky:
 

tisza

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #123
Millwall stadium wrangle sparks split among Lewisham Labour councillors
Millwall admit council scheme could force club to leave Lewisham

Also something ironic about a labour council wanting to work with an off-shore company.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #124
shmmeee said:
like others I can't see a time CCFC isn't in my life.
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I think that's what ultimately applies. Do I go as much as I used to? No. Does that mean another team could take CCFC's place? No.

Despite my misgivings, and resignation to 'the end' of the club... unless and until they go, they're still my team and I can't just decide to start supporting Brentford, say.
 
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Monners

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #125
Deleted member 5849 said:
I think that's what ultimately applies. Do I go as much as I used to? No. Does that mean another team could take CCFC's place? No.

Despite my misgivings, and resignation to 'the end' of the club... unless and until they go, they're still my team and I can't just decide to start supporting Brentford, say.
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Agree NW - I won't support anyone else if we ever disappear. I don't go much now anymore as it is, but still keep an eye on games when we play , so wouldn't bother going to football at all if it ever happens. So no tipping point for me.
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #126
Monners said:
Torch and Nick - stop being so paranoid and touchy - please fuck off and leave me alone :bag: :banghead: :bored: :wacky:
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TBF, torch has a valid reason to be paranoid and touchy....

He's always been like that
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #127
Deleted member 5849 said:
I think that's what ultimately applies. Do I go as much as I used to? No. Does that mean another team could take CCFC's place? No.

Despite my misgivings, and resignation to 'the end' of the club... unless and until they go, they're still my team and I can't just decide to start supporting Brentford, say.
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You've hardly been to any games since you've been on this board and other boards have you ?
 

Gazolba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #128
Judging by the attendances most people have already reached their tipping point and given up.
As the support reduces, we are left with more and more hardcore fans, so I expect the reduction in support to slow down a little, but it will definitely accellerate if we get relegated.
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #129
If the club decides to see through the three year banning order, for the recent pitch invasion.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #130
Christ, that Millwall situation is unbelievable. Remember when labour used to be about the working people? Now, like in Cov they seem to be available to the highest bidder.
 

M&B Stand

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #131
Gazolba said:
Judging by the attendances most people have already reached their tipping point and given up.
As the support reduces, we are left with more and more hardcore fans, so I expect the reduction in support to slow down a little, but it will definitely accellerate if we get relegated.
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And if we got to the Checkatrade final they'll all be back camping on the car park at the Butts for tickets.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #132
M&B Stand said:
And if we got to the Checkatrade final they'll all be back camping on the car park at the Butts for tickets.
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If we get to the Checkatrade final pretty much everyone who wants a ticket will get one.
 

M&B Stand

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #133
Otis said:
If we get to the Checkatrade final pretty much everyone who wants a ticket will get one.
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If you say so. If we beat Brighton Tuesday I'm buying a tent just to be on the safe side.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #134
I've got all the stubs still anyway and a season ticket.

 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #135
Ian1779 said:
Don't know whether you've seen it today but Millwall possibly being forced out of Lewisham by local council. If a case like this happened (which half has already to be fair) then I think that would still count as our team.
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I expressly don't want to get into tinfoil hat territory on either side in this thread. Just curious about the philosophical question of ... "belonging" I guess.

Sorry.

Edit: I see this comment is far too late.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 6, 2017
  • #136
tisza said:
Also something ironic about a labour council wanting to work with an off-shore company.
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Doesn't the property development company have strong links to some of the labour councillors in Lewisham?
 

trevelfarandwide

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2017
  • #137
Bernie Rhodes Nose said:
Don't have a tipping point (Despite the ribbing from glory hunters at work).
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And we'll find that all of those doinks who switched to supporting Leicester last season, will soon be switching back to Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd.

Also, since I can't actively attend matches anymore, my support is limited to match threads here to be honest...I'd still attend if it were feasible. Like I mentioned the other day, if the club ceased to exist, so would my support for a football team. I couldn't bare seeing them descend further than L2, realistically, however CCFC will always remain in my blood for as long as it exists - no matter what league we're in.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Jan 7, 2017
  • #138
Nick said:
I've got all the stubs still anyway and a season ticket.

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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2017
  • #139
chiefdave said:
Doesn't the property development company have strong links to some of the labour councillors in Lewisham?
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see links in post 123 above
 

Colin Steins Smile

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  • Jan 7, 2017
  • #140
tisza said:
see links in post 123 above
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The is one element to consider in regard to councils behaviour across England and that is the current financial environment which they are working to. They'll be member of this forum who'll have lost jobs with local authorities in recent years and the decrease in available funds is driving decisions to realise revenues, in the short term. The councils are focussing on statutory functions, e.g. Social care, etc. Therefore, just like central government realising the value of certain national assets, so are local authorities to try and plug funding gaps.
 
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