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Yeah fantastic. I hope that makes you feel better when the Tories win every election in the next 20 years. @Ccfcisparks what’s that really old song shmmee should listen to? Dry your eyes is it?
Its self reported you lemon.
Do you need me to break the crayons out so you get my point?
Hahaha Boosh it aint that old, it was released in both of our life times!Yeah fantastic. I hope that makes you feel better when the Tories win every election in the next 20 years. @Ccfcisparks what’s that really old song shmmee should listen to? Dry your eyes is it?
Hahaha Boosh it aint that old, it was released in both of our life times!
Yeah fantastic. I hope that makes you feel better when the Tories win every election in the next 20 years. @Ccfcisparks what’s that really old song shmmee should listen to? Dry your eyes is it?
Years ago, I worked with an Iranian bloke who described Britain as Socialist Country. I questioned him on this and he said look at the NHS, Benefits system, where we were working (a local authority hostel for the homeless), and he listed loads of other things about our society.You’ve deflected a lot but I think you’re saying you don’t want to abolish the NHS. That’s a very left wing position globally. It puts you well to the left of most people.
That’s my point, it’s not some “haha you should vote Labour” gotcha, just a reminder that whats “right wing” in the U.K. is still pretty socialist.
As I showed earlier, pretty much every voter in the U.K. is in the left wing authoritarian space, we’re just arguing over which corner of the corner we’re in. It’s the Labour Party internal squabbling writ large.
If you want to do it the other way, even the most liberal lefty is still pretty authoritarian even though they don’t like to think that way.
OK buddy, good luck tying your shoes this morning.
Years ago, I worked with an Iranian bloke who described Britain as Socialist Country. I questioned him on this and he said look at the NHS, Benefits system, where we were working (a local authority hostel for the homeless), and he listed loads of other things about our society.
I’d never thought of it as such. While we’re not all waking up to the Internationale every morning and putting on our hobnail boots to work at the collective farm as part of our glorious party’s 5 year plan. I think it’s fair to say there are strong elements of socialism in our society that we take for granted.
Not sure how reliable it is, it seems more relevant to the Americans.
We all know that @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 wouldn’t have even registered on there if it was accurate.
LOL I would have only been 7. Think I would rather have watched Ben 10 at that age.2004!? Did you have it on tape or vinyl?
Bit suprised tbf, looks like IM the looney after all!
Data is great just a shame the votes don’t say the same ey? I’m baffled as to why the loudest in these threads think they’re the majority despite elections and referendums consistently proving them wrong
100%, but it’s not seen as socialism. Partly because kids today like Boosh clearly got all their polticial education from Seppo neckbeards on YouTube.
Need some tissues for all the crying this morning?
That is total rubbish - most capitalist countries have free healthcare for many elements of society - and of course its not actually free
Your Mum finally washed your wank sock and you can spare a few?
Biggest goon on the forum you are.
Marketing and promotion. Tories do it better. Take one or two things that have some sort of positive effect for people or just would go down well and just repeat it with a catchy slogan. Ignore all the stuff that isn't so palatable. Crucially, make sure you have most of the media on your side to toe the line and not bring up the shit bits while dissecting the other parties with a fine tooth comb.
Meanwhile, the left tries to (or has to) explain policies and the average person just doesn't pay attention. They lose interest and drift off.
Also, Conservative, as the name tells you, don't want to change too much. That appeals to people because we don't like too much change and upheaval even if it works in our favour. So keeping things roughly as they are is a much easier sell than offering something a bit different, and a lot easier than radical change like the Greens etc propose.
If instead of putting an X in a box with the party name/candidate you instead were given a short blind survey of actual manifesto policies that you had to pick your preferred option I think we'd see a very interesting difference in what people want to how people vote.
Be more specific, please.
- Do you agree that state-funded healthcare free at the point of use is desirable? Yes
- Do you agree that nationalised health care is superior to a competitive marketplace? No
- Does the worship of the NHS make you angry, especially in the light of some terrible service you've experienced? Yes
You're not going to like this, but I'll say it anyway. Many socialists are people who feel the same way about outcomes as many centrists, but they just haven't appreciated that life is more nuanced than they think... and that state control of services is a very sub-optimal. The NHS is a proxy for socialism IMO, which is why it gets venerated so much by people pushing a socialist agenda.
He’s right to an extent, but it’s like whining that McDonald’s get all the customers because they spend on marketing and finding out what people want to eat and positioning themselves so they’re the easy option rather than everyone loving your homemade food stall that you refuse to tell anyone about (because that would be selling out to the man) and scream at them if they mispronounce the weird cheese on your sandwiches.
The Tories actually try and win elections and make out they like people, nothing is stopping Labour doing that too (OK the mass membership is stopping us, but nothing in theory).
It's got nothing to do with marketing at all, that's just labour supporters continuing to live in denial.He’s right to an extent, but it’s like whining that McDonald’s get all the customers because they spend on marketing and finding out what people want to eat and positioning themselves so they’re the easy option rather than everyone loving your homemade food stall that you refuse to tell anyone about (because that would be selling out to the man) and scream at them if they mispronounce the weird cheese on your sandwiches.
The Tories actually try and win elections and make out they like people, nothing is stopping Labour doing that too (OK the mass membership is stopping us, but nothing in theory).
It's got nothing to do with marketing at all, that's just labour supporters continuing to live in denial.
It has far more to do with people who were nowhere near fit to govern.
Eg, Diane Abbott, every time she opened her mouth, Labour's fiscal economic policy just disintegrated before our eyes!
As for Corbyn, to this very day we have absolutely no idea what his stance on Brexit or the EU is, and yet this was a major issue in the
Election, his clear support for he IRA and his friendship with Gerry Adam's and his repeated refusal to condemn acts of terror perpetrated against innocent people didnt help either, (I could bang on and on)
But the point is these clowns at the top of the party, killed it, and Starmer has the hardest job in political leadership to turn it round.
I'm well aware that there is shit loads wrong with Boris and his cronies, but the fact is, that Labour made themselves un electable, and presented the tories with the biggest "open goal" in living political history.
And that's Fuck All to do with marketing.
Slightly off topic but before we had a public provided fire service they had a competitive marketplace of private enterprises that you could insure yourself with.
So if a fire started and you were with a particular fire service there could be another fire service outside who'd do nothing because you weren't insured with them whereas your fire service could be halfway across town. Ifyou wanted them to put it out you'd have to pay them a higher fee as a one-off. If you were insured they'd want proof of membership (which obviously in a fire you're not thinking about) and until you could prove it they wouldn't put out the fire. It was also widely rumoured some crews would start fires and just 'happen to be in the area' to put it out.
This is why the fire service was invented,
Privatised health care that EVERYONE would need access to without a fall back. High demand = high cost. I've already mentioned about doctors prescribing stuff they don't need or having unnecessary tests done cos they get paid. Even basic drugs in the US cost hundreds of dollars, some even thousands. Stuff like surgery runs into tens of thousands of dollars. Courses of chemo can be into six figures. So if everyone were reliant on private healthcare for the vast majority if you got cancer you may as well just say goodbye to your family and prepare your funeral and will. That's if they even got it diagnosed because they'd not be able to afford the tests or it'd have to be so bad before they decided to spend the money on them it'd be so far advanced as to be either incurable or the treatment so expensive it would be a waste of time.
Imagine being hit by a car just outside a hospital and for them to say "he's not a member with this hospital - he'll have to go to the one he's insured with 30 miles away." That's how a truly competitive marketplace works.
Unlike Johnson, Hancock, Raab, Patel, Gove, Truss, JRM.... even darling Rishi is already looking out of his depth.
Saw one of the worst US healthcare stories on Twitter the other day: woman charged $800+ for the phone call from an EMT to say her son had died. Just mind blowing.
It's got nothing to do with marketing at all, that's just labour supporters continuing to live in denial.
It has far more to do with people who were nowhere near fit to govern.
Eg, Diane Abbott, every time she opened her mouth, Labour's fiscal economic policy just disintegrated before our eyes!
As for Corbyn, to this very day we have absolutely no idea what his stance on Brexit or the EU is, and yet this was a major issue in the
Election, his clear support for he IRA and his friendship with Gerry Adam's and his repeated refusal to condemn acts of terror perpetrated against innocent people didnt help either, (I could bang on and on)
But the point is these clowns at the top of the party, killed it, and Starmer has the hardest job in political leadership to turn it round.
I'm well aware that there is shit loads wrong with Boris and his cronies, but the fact is, that Labour made themselves un electable, and presented the tories with the biggest "open goal" in living political history.
And that's Fuck All to do with marketing.
You are in the top right?
You can keep denying it, and through that course you will see Labour lose more and more votes.
You can keep denying it, and through that course you will see Labour lose more and more votes.
Be more specific, please.
- Do you agree that state-funded healthcare free at the point of use is desirable? Yes
- Do you agree that nationalised health care is superior to a competitive marketplace? No
- Does the worship of the NHS make you angry, especially in the light of some terrible service you've experienced? Yes
You're not going to like this, but I'll say it anyway. Many socialists are people who feel the same way about outcomes as many centrists, but they just haven't appreciated that life is more nuanced than they think... and that state control of services is a very sub-optimal. The NHS is a proxy for socialism IMO, which is why it gets venerated so much by people pushing a socialist agenda.
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