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What is going on with the Tory leadership contest? (15 Viewers)

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  • Start date Jun 8, 2019
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 14, 2019
  • #71
Marty said:
I'm sure I'll be shot down for this, but why doesn't everyone pay the same amount of tax anyway? If people have studied or work really hard to earn more money then why should they be taxed at higher levels?
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Flat rate vs progressive rate is an issue that was has always been up for debate for various reasons depending on how you look at it.

For example, an argument for flat tax was it makes tax easier, but others state that the rich can afford good accountants and end up paying a lower effective rate of tax (even with higher band tax rates there are still plenty of individuals and companies who arrange their tax affairs so they pay less actual tax, let alone effective rates of tax) than someone on minimum wage. Then the rich come back with "but by increasing the rate of tax people are more likely to try and avoid it" but evidence has shown in country's with flat tax that the rich (well, everyone really) will still avoid tax whenever possible.

Another argument is that those with large cash/capital reserves will benefit the most from society and things like infrastructure/education and thus should contribute more towards it, and they also have the best means to pay for it. This is especially true of those with inherited wealth, but personally I think that needs to be done via inheritance tax overhaul which I'm not going to go into here.

One of the biggest arguments historically for the higher rate of tax was that higher education etc was free, so therefore those who had benefited from it should contribute more. Now we're going more US style and have tuition fees that doesn't stand up very well.
 
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Marty

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  • Jun 14, 2019
  • #72
clint van damme said:
I agree, so Amazon, Vodafone etc pay 20 percent on everything over 11 grand, sounds good to me.
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We're talking bout personal income tax not corporation tax, but thanks for your input.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 14, 2019
  • #73
Marty said:
We're talking bout personal income tax not corporation tax, but thanks for your input.
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I know, don't you think they should be included?
 

Marty

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  • Jun 14, 2019
  • #74
clint van damme said:
I know, don't you think they should be included?
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It would help if they actually paid any tax to start with.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #75
So the first leadership TV debate is about to start on C4, minus Boris. Anyone planning on watching it?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #76
skybluetony176 said:
So the first leadership TV debate is about to start on C4, minus Boris. Anyone planning on watching it?
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It's either that or a repeat of Wheeler Dealers!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #77
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's either that or a repeat of Wheeler Dealers!
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It’s the AMC Pacer one. The one where they did such a bad job they devalued the car.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #78
skybluetony176 said:
It’s the AMC Pacer one. The one where they did such a bad job they devalued the car.
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Leadership debate it is then.

A certain irony that avoiding a debate on your policy helps your chances of becoming overlord of the country...
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #79
Gove doing his best to look tough and Hunt doing his best to look human.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #80
First round of applause goes to Rory Stewart. Shot Rabb down in the process.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #81
Raab (the bloke who has failed to negotiate a deal suitable, and now claims he can do better than those who negotiated the current deal - i.e. himself) showing his antidemocratic colours here.

Gove shows his thespian background in how he plays to the camera.

The middle two currently not being horrendous, nor inspiring.

Rory Stewart's an interesting outlier...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #82
What has happened to the world when Jeremy Hunt seems the moderate option?!?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #83
In the end these are all horses running a race when the winner has already crossed the finishing line
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #84
Grendel said:
In the end these are all horses running a race when the winner has already crossed the finishing line
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Jeremy Hunt actually made the not unreasonable point that if de Pfeffel can't debate with some reasonably friendly faces, how much can we hope for his negotiating powers with 27 other nations?

But yes, it seems whatever he does (or doesn't do!), he'll be the winner!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #85
Grendel said:
In the end these are all horses running a race when the winner has already crossed the finishing line
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Ooo. Another Grendull prediction. What could possibly go wrong.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #86
Is the audience made up of Tory Party members does anyone know?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #87
skybluetony176 said:
Ooo. Another Grendull prediction. What could possibly go wrong.
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If he gets in the top two, the mentalist members will elect him.

He'll have to do something spectacular to not get in the top two - which is why they're kleeping him away from any opportunity to do just that!
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #88
Murdoch’s final two will be Johnson and Gove... it was never going to go any other way.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #89
skybluetony176 said:
Ooo. Another Grendull prediction. What could possibly go wrong.
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He’s obviously going to win. He will easily get 200 MPs vote for him and like with Corbyn the membership of political parties isn’t a reflection of the wider community
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #90
Gove and Rabb have talked their way out of contention for me. Maybe they should have taken a leaf out of Boris’ book and not turned up.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #91
skybluetony176 said:
Is the audience made up of Tory Party members does anyone know?
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Er no it was established at the start where the audience came from
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #92
Grendel said:
Er no it was established at the start where the audience came from
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I was loading the dishwasher at the start so missed it. So who is the audience made up of then?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #93
skybluetony176 said:
I was loading the dishwasher at the start so missed it. So who is the audience made up of then?
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People who may vote conservative
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #94
Rory Stewart now saying don't vote for me, I'm a privileged idiot.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #95
Deleted member 5849 said:
Rory Stewart now saying don't vote for me, I'm a privileged idiot.
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That’s pure genius.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #96
Grendel said:
People who may vote conservative
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In which case Rory Stewart seems the Conservatives best hope of winning the next election.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #97
skybluetony176 said:
In which case Rory Stewart seems the Conservatives best hope of winning the next election.
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Well no as old Al isn’t in the room
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #98
Grendel said:
Well no as old Al isn’t in the room
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Who?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #99
skybluetony176 said:
Who?
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Really?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #100
Grendel said:
Really?
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No idea who Al is.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #101
Well hunt came across as relatively human until his summing up speach.

Based on that, of those five you'd go for Hunt or Javid though, surely? Gove's too much for set pieces, Raab's some kind of automaton loon, and Stewart ruined his chances by effectively saying don't vote for me, I know nothing and have no knowledge of all you underclasses!
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #102
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well hunt came across as relatively human until his summing up speach.

Based on that, of those five you'd go for Hunt or Javid though, surely? Gove's too much for set pieces, Raab's some kind of automaton loon, and Stewart ruined his chances by effectively saying don't vote for me, I know nothing and have no knowledge of all you underclasses!
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All pointless as Al says they are all going down the Swanee and may as well coronate now and stop this charade
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #103
Well. When Rory Stewart said he hopes one of the candidates IN the studio is the next PM ie not Boris, it got one of the biggest applause of the night. As I’ve said already I’m not sure where this notion comes from that Boris is the saviour of the Tories and will win them the next election. Didn’t get that impression from the audience tonight. If anything Rory Stewart’s remark and the response it got showed that Boris is last in the popular vote. I wonder if MP’s are taking note ahead the second round?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #104
Johnson will finis
skybluetony176 said:
Well. When Rory Stewart said he hopes one of the candidates IN the studio is the next PM ie not Boris, it got one of the biggest applause of the night. As I’ve said already I’m not sure where this notion comes from that Boris is the saviour of the Tories and will win them the next election. Didn’t get that impression from the audience tonight. If anything Rory Stewart’s remark and the response it got showed that Boris is last in the popular vote. I wonder if MP’s are taking note ahead the second round?
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Read today that several of the supporters of the fella that just withdrew were expected to get behind Boris are now going to support other candidates.
I still expect him to get it and to make a calamitous fuck up of running the country.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 16, 2019
  • #105
clint van damme said:
Johnson will finis


Read today that several of the supporters of the fella that just withdrew were expected to get behind Boris are now going to support other candidates.
I still expect him to get it and to make a calamitous fuck up of running the country.
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More than likely. It will be like letting the honey monster run a China shop.
 
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