What is going on with the Tory leadership contest? (11 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Jun 25, 2019

clint van damme said:
What the hell was Boris on about in that interview?
He sounds like Roly Berkin.

It reminded me of Eric Morecambe when he said he was playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order. He’d clearly forgotten his brief (I’m assuming he had one) so just kept randomly throwing keywords into what he was saying in some sort of brexit Tourette’s bingo.

God knows what he’ll be like a PMQ’s. On his showings so far forget Corbyn tearing him a new one I think Diane Abbott could run circles around him.

Great analogy by the way. Boris always reminds me of Roly Berkin in the same way Vince Cable reminds me of Barrowclough from Porridge.

clint van damme · Jun 25, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Great analogy by the way. Boris always reminds me of Rocky Berkin in the same way Vince Cable reminds me of Barrowclough from Porridge.

HAHA!

Sick Boy · Jun 25, 2019

chiefdave said:

Fucking hell.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 25, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It does seem a bit "a moving target is harder to hit" - keep the cycle going so no-one can focus on any one thing. Trouble is he seems to have got mired in this domestic argument a bit. He needs a new distraction.

Mission accomplished.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 25, 2019

I also see in an interview Hunt has said the next PM needs to be 'trustworthy' and 'personality' is key to getting Brexit done. I don't think there's many people at all that consider Hunt trustworthy (maybe more so than Boris but in the same way I'd rather be put in an enclosure with a lion than a tiger) and if he thinks personality is key then he's lost - if there's one thing Boris has it's charisma and personality. Hunt is another faceless guy in a suit.

Are the two remaining contenders now trying to talk themselves out of the job because they've suddenly realised just how nigh on impossible delivering Brexit will be?

shmmeee · Jun 26, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I also see in an interview Hunt has said the next PM needs to be 'trustworthy' and 'personality' is key to getting Brexit done. I don't think there's many people at all that consider Hunt trustworthy (maybe more so than Boris but in the same way I'd rather be put in an enclosure with a lion than a tiger) and if he thinks personality is key then he's lost - if there's one thing Boris has it's charisma and personality. Hunt is another faceless guy in a suit.

Are the two remaining contenders now trying to talk themselves out of the job because they've suddenly realised just how nigh on impossible delivering Brexit will be?

Got to be honest, Hunt came across really really well on Twitter last night. Funny, self depreciating, understandable.

He’s still a horrible c**t who tried to destroy the NHS, but the other guy is Boris soo...

stupot07 · Jun 26, 2019

Johnnythespider said:
A traitor to who, his party or his country

This is a good point, the Tories in particular are putting the party about the country, and have been for some time.

The only way out I can see is another peoples vote - deal, no deal, no Brexit.

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stupot07 · Jun 26, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
It only needs 4 doesn’t it? I think the government has a majority in the commons of 4 with the DUP agreement.

And the DUP arent gonna back anything that puts the good Friday agreement in jeopardy.

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skybluetony176 · Jun 26, 2019

stupot07 said:
And the DUP arent gonna back anything that puts the good Friday agreement in jeopardy.

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I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The DUP didn’t back the good Friday agreement so I doubt any of their MP’s voted for it in the first place.

CCFCSteve · Jun 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Got to be honest, Hunt came across really really well on Twitter last night. Funny, self depreciating, understandable.

He’s still a horrible c**t who tried to destroy the NHS, but the other guy is Boris soo...

When I heard him on a Q&A on LBC I thought he came across pretty well as well

Ps ‘tried to destroy the NHS’ is a bit strong. I actually thought the junior doctors stand off (which was seen as his major issue/fuck up during his time as health secretary) was an attempt to improve the nhs service for the public ie deliver a proper seven day service. He also secured a massive increase in funding for the NHS before leaving the role. If you’d made the comment about Grayling I probably would’ve agreed with you....useless !

clint van damme · Jun 26, 2019

CCFCSteve said:
When I heard him on a Q&A on LBC I thought he came across pretty well as well

Ps ‘tried to destroy the NHS’ is a bit strong. I actually thought the junior doctors stand off (which was seen as his major issue/fuck up during his time as health secretary) was an attempt to improve the nhs service for the public ie deliver a proper seven day service. He also secured a massive increase in funding for the NHS before leaving the role. If you’d made the comment about Grayling I probably would’ve agreed with you....useless !

He was lobbying for private health care firms. In his time at the NHS he was q disaster.
He did better as foreign secretary but succeeding boris is a bit like a manager following Russell Slade, not being seen as an improvement is also impossible.

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

clint van damme said:
He was lobbying for private health care firms. In his time at the NHS he was q disaster.
He did better as foreign secretary but succeeding boris is a bit like a manager following Russell Slade, not being seen as an improvement is also impossible.

His vision on the NHS was not unreasonable - the NHS is not sustainable without private intervention or massive revenue generation through increased taxation on a scale most people do not want

clint van damme · Jun 26, 2019

Grendel said:
His vision on the NHS was not unreasonable - the NHS is not sustainable without private intervention or massive revenue generation through increased taxation on a scale most people do not want

There is plenty that can be done to improve the NHS in its current t format.
Spending the budget it has more wisely, a management restructure and collecting all money it's owed for treating foreign patients are all ideas I've heard from surgeons and consultants that seen sensible.
An American style system is an appalling idea.

Ian1779 · Jun 26, 2019

Grendel said:
His vision on the NHS was not unreasonable - the NHS is not sustainable without private intervention or massive revenue generation through increased taxation on a scale most people do not want

He and his party intentionally underfunded the NHS to try and speed up the ‘breaking off’ of services to private investors.

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

clint van damme said:
There is plenty that can be done to improve the NHS in its current t format.
Spending the budget it has more wisely, a management restructure and collecting all money it's owed for treating foreign patients are all ideas I've heard from surgeons and consultants that seen sensible.
An American style system is an appalling idea.

He has never suggested an America style system and foreign patients cost are 0.4% of the budget

clint van damme · Jun 26, 2019

He did propose an American style system.
There were calls for a judicial 'review against his against his proposals.

skybluetony176 · Jun 26, 2019

clint van damme said:
He did propose an American style system.
There were calls for a judicial 'review against his against his proposals.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

So that’s getting through parliament is it? So if labour win power Simm Fein will join parliament as Jeremy Corbyn is their friend?

Ian1779 · Jun 26, 2019

Grendel said:
So that’s getting through parliament is it? So if labour win power Simm Fein will join parliament as Jeremy Corbyn is their friend?

That’s fucking tenuous... even for you.

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

Ian1779 said:
That’s fucking tenuous... even for you.

Not as tenuous to suggest Jeremy Hunt will force a US style health system in the UK

After all Corbyn and McDonnell have said they would like Britain to be modelled on the Chavez dictatorship - I can’t see that happening either - can you?

Ian1779 · Jun 26, 2019

Grendel said:
Not as tenuous to suggest Jeremy Hunt will force a US style health system in the UK

After all Corbyn and McDonnell have said they would like Britain to be modelled on the Chavez dictatorship - I can’t see that happening either - can you?

So there is a direct quote of those two saying that? Or just some paraphrasing?

Hunt may not force it you are right, but he would certainly facilitate it, and did so during his tenure as health secretary.

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

Ian1779 said:
So there is a direct quote of those two saying that? Or just some paraphrasing?

Hunt may not force it you are right, but he would certainly facilitate it, and did so during his tenure as health secretary.

He didn’t and he wouldn’t

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

Nice anyway to see Mr Corbyns friend is back in the fold

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skybluetony176 · Jun 26, 2019

Grendel said:
So that’s getting through parliament is it? So if labour win power Simm Fein will join parliament as Jeremy Corbyn is their friend?

Oh dear. I’ll take this reply as an acknowledgement from yourself that you were wrong when you claimed that he’d never suggested an America style health system.

Grendel · Jun 26, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Oh dear. I’ll take this reply as an acknowledgement from yourself that you were wrong when you claimed that he’d never suggested an America style health system.

He hasn’t even your link shows no evidence he did and admits as such

Ian1779 · Jun 27, 2019

Grendel said:
Nice anyway to see Mr Corbyns friend is back in the fold

'Disgusting': Labour fury over return of Chris Williamson

The issue over anti-Semitism is incredibly complex - even the Jewish members are split on whether he should be re-instated or not.

I think there needs to a properly independent organisation to investigate all claims of racism across ALL parties.

clint van damme · Jun 27, 2019

Ian1779 said:
The issue over anti-Semitism is incredibly complex - even the Jewish members are split on whether he should be re-instated or not.

I think there needs to a properly independent organisation to investigate all claims of racism across ALL parties.

what makes me laugh is that every negative comment about George Soros on these forums is anti Semitic going on the IHRA guidelines. Most of them made by the same people who accuse Corbyn of being anti-Semitic based on the IHRAguidelines.

skybluetony176 · Jun 27, 2019

Grendel said:
He hasn’t even your link shows no evidence he did and admits as such

Try this We’ve found Jeremy Hunt’s book – and yes, he does want to Privatise the NHS. there’s even a link to a pdf version of the book so you can read it for yourself and see how wrong you are.

Ian1779 · Jun 27, 2019

clint van damme said:
what makes me laugh is that every negative comment about George Soros on these forums is anti Semitic going on the IHRA guidelines. Most of them made by the same people who accuse Corbyn of being anti-Semitic based on the IHRAguidelines.

Anti-Semitic tropes have unfortunately been ingrained into our culture over a very long period of time (for example - Harry Potter is full of them - even though Rowling claims to be horrified about Labour and anti-semitism). People might make remarks that are classed as these and not even realise. Education and explanation are the only ways to combat the majority so that you can narrow down and deal with the proper racists.

Grendel · Jun 27, 2019

Ian1779 said:
The issue over anti-Semitism is incredibly complex - even the Jewish members are split on whether he should be re-instated or not.

I think there needs to a properly independent organisation to investigate all claims of racism across ALL parties.

Jess Phillips is far from happy

clint van damme · Jun 27, 2019

Grendel said:
Jess Phillips is far from happy

She usually is.

Grendel · Jun 27, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Try this We’ve found Jeremy Hunt’s book – and yes, he does want to Privatise the NHS. there’s even a link to a pdf version of the book so you can read it for yourself and see how wrong you are.

I am not wrong, this is not knew news and it is not an attempt to even privatise the NHS anyway is it?

Also it was done as a discussion document 14 years ago. If we look back in history and assume opinions have not changed then Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell want us to have a hard brexit

I’ve said numerous times anyway the proposals outlined in documents such as this should be debated - there are a lot of good points in it

Ian1779 · Jun 27, 2019

Grendel said:
I am not wrong, this is not knew news and it is not an attempt to even privatise the NHS anyway is it?

Also it was done as a discussion document 14 years ago. If we look back in history and assume opinions have not changed then Mr Corbyn and Mr McDonnell want us to have a hard brexit

I’ve said numerous times anyway the proposals outlined in documents such as this should be debated - there are a lot of good points in it

Corbyn and McDonnell have long been Eurosceptic - but to suggest they wanted a 'hard Brexit' - especially in the context of today is misleading.

shmmeee · Jun 27, 2019

CCFCSteve said:
When I heard him on a Q&A on LBC I thought he came across pretty well as well

Ps ‘tried to destroy the NHS’ is a bit strong. I actually thought the junior doctors stand off (which was seen as his major issue/fuck up during his time as health secretary) was an attempt to improve the nhs service for the public ie deliver a proper seven day service. He also secured a massive increase in funding for the NHS before leaving the role. If you’d made the comment about Grayling I probably would’ve agreed with you....useless !

He’s literally written the book on destroying the NHS. It’s his stated aim. Direct Democracy: An Agenda for a New Model Party Amazon product ASIN 0955059801

fernandopartridge · Jun 27, 2019

CCFCSteve said:
When I heard him on a Q&A on LBC I thought he came across pretty well as well

Ps ‘tried to destroy the NHS’ is a bit strong. I actually thought the junior doctors stand off (which was seen as his major issue/fuck up during his time as health secretary) was an attempt to improve the nhs service for the public ie deliver a proper seven day service. He also secured a massive increase in funding for the NHS before leaving the role. If you’d made the comment about Grayling I probably would’ve agreed with you....useless !

In net terms it was not an increase, under his reign as SoS for Health the NHS was underfunded against what it needed to keep up with growth in demand. The late cash injection was too little too late. The ridiculous notion of providing a 7 day service whilst under funding something shows that he's either a complete buffoon or disingenuous or both.

In his defence, he didn't bring in the reforms which enforced competition in the NHS (and privatisation / contracting out services), it was Andrew Lansley.

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