Were SISU offered the same deal as Wasps, Yes or No? (1 Viewer)

skybluetony176 · Dec 23, 2014

Has to be the most pathetic excuse ever for SISU's failings. We're talking about 2 professional companies buying another company not a couple of 6 year olds arguing over who has the biggest cake.

Were Nippon offered the same deal as TATA for JLR? Yes or No?

Stop making excuses for them. Negotiation by Litigation failed. End off.

Kingokings204 · Dec 23, 2014

Yes I agree. I accept posters for saying it but it's not an argument really. Sisu illegally stopped paying rent and used bullying pissed off tactics to get the Ricoh for nothing so of course they werent offered the same deal.

Wasps weren't offered this deal either they negotiated and played fair 2 things sisu didn't so it's a complete non argument. Yes we all want our sky blues tinted glasses on but to a neutral this played out exactly how it should of, .

The fact some posters blame wasps and telling them to F off is absurd. I don't agree with franchise sport one bit but wasps fans seem happy enough and it's got nothing to do with us. Sixfields was our problem and we sorted it. If they don't want the Ricoh then they can do one however we rented sixfields and they bought the Ricoh.

Please everyone stop blaming everyone but sisu for our failed club. One reason we are where we are and that's sisu. To blame or think of anything else is plain crap. (Not saying we haven't been messed around by the council et al but it's clear who we are owned by don't give a toss for football or ccfc) I have no doubts of we played fair and played a fair sum of money we would own ACL now. No doubts

mrtrench · Dec 23, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
End off.

No, you end off. I'm staying put.

covmark · Dec 23, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Has to be the most pathetic excuse ever for SISU's failings. We're talking about 2 professional companies buying another company not a couple of 6 year olds arguing over who has the biggest cake.

Were Nippon offered the same deal as TATA for JLR? Yes or No?

Stop making excuses for them. Negotiation by Litigation failed. End off.

So you don't think the council should hold a team that has been historically linked to our city for over a hundred years, in at least the same regard as a franchise out of town rugby club.
What wasps were willing to pay should have been offered to Ccfc.
A quick phone call saying, "look, Wasps are willing to pay this amount, will you match it".
If Sisu said no then fair do's. To not offer the same deal is disgraceful imo.

Kingokings204 · Dec 23, 2014

covmark said:
So you don't think the council should hold a team that has been historically linked to our city for over a hundred years, in at least the same regard as a franchise out of town rugby club.
What wasps were willing to pay should have been offered to Ccfc.
A quick phone call saying, "look, Wasps are willing to pay this amount, will you match it".
If Sisu said no then fair do's. To not offer the same deal is disgraceful imo.

Not saying you are wrong but do we know it wasn't offered for a fact? I've seen no proof it was or wasn't offered?

covmark · Dec 23, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Not saying you are wrong but do we know it wasn't offered for a fact? I've seen no proof it was or wasn't offered?

It's a fair point, but do you seriously think it would have been turned down, and IIRC didn't Sisu put in a last minute bid for the Higgs share. Which to me shows they wanted in.

kmj5000 · Dec 23, 2014

Were SISU invited by Ann Lucas, on more than one occasion, to come along and talk about a possible deal to buy the Ricoh? Yes or No?

Did they take up the offer? Yes or No?

Did their plan to get the Ricoh on the cheap go horribly wrong? Yes or No?

Are they just a bunch of incompetent tossers? Yes or No?

Simples!

bigfatronssba · Dec 23, 2014

When people like Les Reid started using the economic argument (ie benefits to the cities economy) about bringing city home, they opened up a can of worms.

From the point of view of the cities economy we now are in a much better position, having full utilisation of the Ricoh.

Unfortunately the case for Ccfc coming home should never have been made an economic argument, just an emotional one.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 23, 2014

You can't make a deal with a company and then say wait a sec we need to just check if another conpany want the same deal.

So. Were sisu offered the same deal as wasps? Very unlikely.

Were sisu given the opportunity to partner in acl? Absolutely

Whose fault is it that we are in the position we are in is a more pertinent question and what can we do about it?

stupot07 · Dec 23, 2014

Forget sisu, owners come and go. The football club and fans have been shafted by all parties in this. If sisu leave in 5-10 year time, we're still shafted. We're currently between a rock and a hard place.

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albatross · Dec 23, 2014

Sky Blue Pete said:
You can't make a deal with a company and then say wait a sec we need to just check if another conpany want the same deal.

So. Were sisu offered the same deal as wasps? Very unlikely.

Were sisu given the opportunity to partner in acl? Absolutely

Whose fault is it that we are in the position we are in is a more pertinent question and what can we do about it?

The best deals for the seller are struck when there is competition looks like only one purchasing party came to the table.

With regards to action, you make probably the most important point there.

We either go....... or stay away, how to get a consensus on what that is the problem leaving the club in a horrible limbo.

I do think that that OSB58's questions backed by this forum is a good start.

This forum has a very diverse set of opinions so cannot be accused of being toadies to either side. If we could come together in a show of unity for these questions to be submitted and press for an answer that would be a start as it would represent something probably every poster on this board would agree with

Grendel · Dec 23, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Not saying you are wrong but do we know it wasn't offered for a fact? I've seen no proof it was or wasn't offered?

There is one very obvious reason we know it wasn't offered - think about it.

oldfiver · Dec 23, 2014

kmj5000 said:
Were SISU invited by Ann Lucas, on more than one occasion, to come along and talk about a possible deal to buy the Ricoh? Yes or No?

Did they take up the offer? Yes or No?

Did their plan to get the Ricoh on the cheap go horribly wrong? Yes or No?

Are they just a bunch of incompetent tossers? Yes or No?

Simples!

NO - She said something like "Hell will freeze over first"

NO - see above

NO - There was no such plan. If it was going "cheaply" anyone could have bid for it. Show me a list of people queuing to buy it and their offers

NO - The fact they do not / did not do what you want does not make them wrong

Woz01 · Dec 23, 2014

Why are we talking about it being offered? Sisu had 7 years to buy ACL and didn't, they wanted it on the cheap (free). Once Sisu were adamant that they were building a new stadium why should the Ricoh be offered to them.

RFC · Dec 23, 2014

stupot07 said:
Forget sisu, owners come and go. The football club and fans have been shafted by all parties in this. If sisu leave in 5-10 year time, we're still shafted. We're currently between a rock and a hard place.

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Ah at long last. A voice of reason

covmark · Dec 23, 2014

Woz01 said:
Why are we talking about it being offered? Sisu had 7 years to buy ACL and didn't, they wanted it on the cheap (free). Once Sisu were adamant that they were building a new stadium why should the Ricoh be offered to them.

Forget Sisu for a minute.
Do you think it's right that the club have paid more in rent than it cost Wasps to buy?
Sisu did want it cheap. Wasps got it cheap.

skybluetony176 · Dec 23, 2014

Grendel said:
There is one very obvious reason we know it wasn't offered - think about it.

Is it the same reason Nippon were not offered JLR?

christonabike · Dec 23, 2014

Sisu kept harping on about buying the Ricoh but wanted their own people to run the food etc. They were told contracts were in place and it was not viable. I guess Wasps were happy to honour ACLs contract and bought the stadium whilst Sisu were pondering their next court case.
The council were never going to sell to Sisu and Wasps came along and no doubt took the problem off the councils hands for good.

bigfatronssba · Dec 23, 2014

oldfiver said:
NO - She said something like "Hell will freeze over first"

NO - see above

NO - There was no such plan. If it was going "cheaply" anyone could have bid for it. Show me a list of people queuing to buy it and their offers

NO - The fact they do not / did not do what you want does not make them wrong

John Mutton made the hell freezing over remark.

italiahorse · Dec 23, 2014

covmark said:
So you don't think the council should hold a team that has been historically linked to our city for over a hundred years, in at least the same regard as a franchise out of town rugby club.
What wasps were willing to pay should have been offered to Ccfc.
A quick phone call saying, "look, Wasps are willing to pay this amount, will you match it".
If Sisu said no then fair do's. To not offer the same deal is disgraceful imo.

It was like selling a car.
Whilst on the forecourt the salesman noticed that Tim went past the car daily and scratched it and dented it.
At the end of the week he made an offer based on what it was worth due to the damage on the car.
Nick came along and made the same offer and the salesman took that offer.

Why was that ?

lordsummerisle · Dec 23, 2014

Was the deal that Sisu offered considered as ripping off local taxpayers and chariities by most on here?

rupert_bear · Dec 23, 2014

Would anyone have really wanted Joy Sepalla to have owned and therefore controlled the Ricoh Arena ?

italiahorse · Dec 23, 2014

rupert_bear said:
Would anyone have have wanted Joy Sepalla to have owned the Ricoh Arena ?

A few years ago yes, but after all the nonsense .... NO

Senior Vick from Alicante · Dec 23, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Has to be the most pathetic excuse ever for SISU's failings. We're talking about 2 professional companies buying another company not a couple of 6 year olds arguing over who has the biggest cake.

Were Nippon offered the same deal as TATA for JLR? Yes or No?

Stop making excuses for them. Negotiation by Litigation failed. End off.

It doesn't matter what they were offered Tony, they proved in previous dealings with both stake holders that they could not be trusted to do a straight forward deal. They lost out because of this not because the offer from Wasps was greater or smaller, the thing that makes me laugh the most is the business confidentiality card played by the council which is the same one that Sisu kept hiding behind.

rupert_bear · Dec 23, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Was the deal that Sisu offered considered as ripping off local taxpayers and chariities by most on here?

Do you live and pay council taxes in Coventry ?

lordsummerisle · Dec 23, 2014

rupert_bear said:
Do you live and pay council taxes in Coventry ?

No, but I wan't one of those complaining that Sisu were ripping off the Council with their offer.

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 23, 2014

covmark said:
It's a fair point, but do you seriously think it would have been turned down, and IIRC didn't Sisu put in a last minute bid for the Higgs share. Which to me shows they wanted in.

What you obviously don't realise is....Wasps put in a bid of £2.77m unconditional.......SISU(According to Fisher) bid £2.8m(£30k more) but with conditions including all details about the "JR" loan to ACL etc, etc. To me for all intents and purpose was a "Lip service to the fans" just purely to find more bullets to shoot CCC and ACL with in the "JR"..........For all those that attacked VOR for his post...I've supported "City" for over 50 years, and can truthfully say that previous owners did at least try to put a good team together, which is a "Country mile" away from what this shower of s**t are doing.

rupert_bear · Dec 23, 2014

Sky Blue Kid to lot on here only the politics are important, sadly for some the only importance,acl, ccc, JRs, Wasps, etc,etc. The football side of things to them are secondary. Yet it is the football side of things that's leading us ever faster towards the conference. Lets wait patiently and see what player investment Steve Waggott does in January. He should be in a position to move straight after he has sung Auld Lang Syne, in reality though I suspect it will be an eleventh hour job again to get people "through the door"

Nick · Dec 23, 2014

rupert_bear said:
Sky Blue Kid to lot on here only the politics are important, acl, ccc, JRs, Wasps, etc,etc. The football side of things to them are secondary. Yet it is the football side of things that's leading us ever faster towards the conference. Lets wait patiently and see what player investment Steve Waggott does in January. He should be in a position to move straight after he has sung Auld Lang Syne, in reality though I suspect it will be an eleventh hour job again to get people "through the door"

Who are they?

rupert_bear · Dec 23, 2014

Nick said:
Who are they?

You know, there's some on here who never mention the team, the football, how we are, where we are now or why.

torchomatic · Dec 23, 2014

You've just described yourself.

rupert_bear said:
You know, there's some on here who never mention the team, the football, how we are, where we are now or why.

Nick · Dec 23, 2014

rupert_bear said:
You know, there's some on here who never mention the team, the football, how we are, where we are now or why.

Like who? I think most of them just come on to justify Wasps and slag off SISU don't they?

Grendel · Dec 23, 2014

rupert_bear said:
You know, there's some on here who never mention the team, the football, how we are, where we are now or why.

Not very nice to accuse the likes of Dongle, Martcov and Albatross that they are not interested in CCFC but have ulterior motives for being on here.

Nick · Dec 23, 2014

Grendel said:
Not very nice to accuse the likes of Dongle, Martcov and Albatross that they are not interested in CCFC but have ulterior motives for being on here.

In fairness to Dongle, he did talk about Saturdays match a couple of times the other day...

Grendel · Dec 23, 2014

Nick said:
In fairness to Dongle, he did talk about Saturdays match a couple of times the other day...

Yes I noticed that - it seems like he was trying to make an effort

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