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mmttww

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #946
Has anyone ever had to rehab and build back from tennis elbow? Haven't been able to lift weights for 6 months, about to start again, would like to hear what worked and what didn't for anyone that's had the same problem.
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #947
fernandopartridge said:
I do a boxing bootcamp thing with circuits around bags etc, can't beat it for fitness. I've been running as well but ran the other day when I probably should have rested and getting a burning pain around my left hip so blanking the running but still doing the class. Hopefully just a strain. I've reduced my beer intake too and lost 3Ib in a week.
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My biggest issue is the beer , I have a couple of cans most nights then quite a few at the weekend . Really need to break the habit , still a bit stiff and sore from Tuesday night but will go for a run later
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #948

Weightwatchers files for bankruptcy as Ozempic and Mounjaro surge in popularity

The firm is struggling with debt and tough competition from weight-loss drugs.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #949
chiefdave said:

Weightwatchers files for bankruptcy as Ozempic and Mounjaro surge in popularity

The firm is struggling with debt and tough competition from weight-loss drugs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Just setting an example to their customers by losing a few pounds?
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #950
chiefdave said:

Weightwatchers files for bankruptcy as Ozempic and Mounjaro surge in popularity

The firm is struggling with debt and tough competition from weight-loss drugs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I can't believe the "Sins" method for losing weight still works. Calories in<Calories out is such an easy formula to follow.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #951
Ccfcisparks said:
I can't believe the "Sins" method for losing weight still works. Calories in<Calories out is such an easy formula to follow.
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That's Slimming World isn't it?

Weightwatchers I'm not sure what the methodology is, though it's definitely not sustainable weight loss because the business model is premised on the opposite.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #952
fernandopartridge said:
That's Slimming World isn't it?

Weightwatchers I'm not sure what the methodology is, though it's definitely not sustainable weight loss because the business model is premised on the opposite.
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you're right. can you tell ive never used either?!
 

Captain Dart

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #953
Ccfcisparks said:
I can't believe the "Sins" method for losing weight still works. Calories in<Calories out is such an easy formula to follow.
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That doesn't work, it's flawed.

Why Calorie Counting Doesn’t Work

Calorie counting is one of the most popular ways to try and lose weight. Here, we’ll explain why it doesn’t work — and what does.
zoe.com
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #954
Captain Dart said:
That doesn't work, it's flawed.

Why Calorie Counting Doesn’t Work

Calorie counting is one of the most popular ways to try and lose weight. Here, we’ll explain why it doesn’t work — and what does.
zoe.com
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It quite clearly does work, its worked for millions and millions. Just because there are flaws to it doesn't mean it doesnt work on the whole. It's much more reliable than any other diet fad
 
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Captain Dart

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  • May 8, 2025
  • #955
Ccfcisparks said:
It quite clearly does work, its worked for millions and millions. Just because there are flaws to it doesn't mean it doesnt work on the whole. It's much more reliable than any other diet fad
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The point is fails in the long term. I think the article I posted explains some of the mechanisms and pitfalls quite well.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 9, 2025
  • #956
Captain Dart said:
The point is fails in the long term. I think the article I posted explains some of the mechanisms and pitfalls quite well.
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All weight loss fails in the long term. Obesity has one of the worse recidivism rates of any disease.

But all weight loss is CICO. Fad diets are just ways to restrict calorie intake.
 
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Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • May 9, 2025
  • #957
All the aches had gone this morning . Got a steady 5k done, and have done over 18k steps at work
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 10, 2025
  • #958
One of the biggest criticisms of the jabs has been the cost to the taxpayer if they were given to everyone who met the NICE guidelines, which is very much not people who want to use a few pounds but people who have multiple obesity related conditions.

New research seems to question that and could potentially change the government's approach.
Weight-loss jabs will be a “game-changer” for the economy, Wes Streeting has said.

A study, based on government modelling, suggests that the rollout of injections could save taxpayers £5 billion a year by dramatically boosting productivity.

The research found that prescribing jabs to about four million people could save an average of £1,100 per person annually – with an average of five fewer sick days for those taking the medication.

Treasury officials are already understood to be examining the case for wider rollout, with particular interest in the impact of the jabs on productivity and worklessness.
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Economists said that rolling out jabs more widely would mean an average of five fewer sick days for those on the jabs, and 12 extra productive days for activities such as childcare.

In total, around £4.5 billion would be saved annually, from improved productivity and lower reliance on NHS and care services, the study found.

The potential economic gains of using weight loss jabs to get people back to work could vastly outweigh the sums Labour has raised through a plethora of taxes.
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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #959
Interesting reading for a couple on here.

Ozempic Killed Diet and Exercise

Doctors might be slow to admit it, but Ozempic and other GLP-1 drugs are making dieting and exercise obsolete.
www.theatlantic.com
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 12, 2025
  • #960
shmmeee said:
Interesting reading for a couple on here.

Ozempic Killed Diet and Exercise

Doctors might be slow to admit it, but Ozempic and other GLP-1 drugs are making dieting and exercise obsolete.
www.theatlantic.com
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Exercise and eating well are highly beneficial for mental health and general well-being.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #961
Sick Boy said:
Exercise and eating well are highly beneficial for mental health and general well-being.
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Sure I’m not sure anyone has ever said otherwise. I thought the trial results were interesting though.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #962
shmmeee said:
Sure I’m not sure anyone has ever said otherwise. I thought the trial results were interesting though.
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Anything that helps combat obesity and save lives is a positive. I'd love there to be a monumental shift in attitudes towards promoting healthy eating / less processed food, but that's never going to happen with the money behind these corporations.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #963
Sick Boy said:
Anything that helps combat obesity and save lives is a positive. I'd love there to be a monumental shift in attitudes towards promoting healthy eating / less processed food, but that's never going to happen with the money behind these corporations.
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Totally agree. There are loads of studies linking a healthy gut biome to improved mental health. Since I cut out all processed food I can say thats true for me also.

These jabs are a good starting point for those that need it, but weight loss should be based in non processed food and prioritising gut health.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #964
Sick Boy said:
Anything that helps combat obesity and save lives is a positive. I'd love there to be a monumental shift in attitudes towards promoting healthy eating / less processed food, but that's never going to happen with the money behind these corporations.
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I was saying somewhere else, I’m not someone who enjoys exercise outside of five a side, but when I’ve lived somewhere walkable I regularly walked and kept on top of my weight. I’m the same person in the same environment, but little things really add up around how you live your life. But “first reorganise society” doesn’t help people in the here and now. It’s one reason why I’m so pro walkable cities and public transport tho. So many huge pressures against a healthy activity level, car focus, WFH, time pressures.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #965
Ccfcisparks said:
should
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According to who?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #966
shmmeee said:
According to who?
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In my opinion. I should have said. I'd wager those who do prioritise their gut biome and avoiding non processed food are much healthier physically and mentally than those that dont on average though.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #967
Ccfcisparks said:
In my opinion. I should have said. I'd wager those who do prioritise their gut biome and avoiding non processed food are much healthier physically and mentally than those that dont on average though.
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I think anyone that cares enough about their diet to follow a strict diet of any kind is likely to be healthier on average. I just think placing non scientific limits on how people can manage their weight is a bit silly.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #968
shmmeee said:
I think anyone that cares enough about their diet to follow a strict diet of any kind is likely to be healthier on average. I just think placing non scientific limits on how people can manage their weight is a bit silly.
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Theres been lots of studies into Gut health and its links to mental health and weight loss.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #969
Was looking at stats around food delivery the other day. The data I saw had us as way out ahead in per capita orders from uber eats and the like. Something like 500m orders a year. I joked before but £5/delivery tax on that and worst case it’s £2.5bn a year for the NHS best case people stop ordering it and you solve half the illegal immigration issue too.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #970
Ccfcisparks said:
Theres been lots of studies into Gut health and its links to mental health and weight loss.
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Sure. I think what I’m saying is don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Like mental health anything that works is good stuff. No need to get bogged down in the absolute perfect way for every person. If it was as easy a few probiotic yoghurts or a gym membership we wouldn’t be where we are. Need all the tools to fight it.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #971
shmmeee said:
Sure. I think what I’m saying is don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Like mental health anything that works is good stuff. No need to get bogged down in the absolute perfect way for every person. If it was as easy a few probiotic yoghurts or a gym membership we wouldn’t be where we are. Need all the tools to fight it.
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Oh no absolutely. I just think for people using weight loss jabs, they need to back them up with healthy habits around that too.

Theres no doubt like you mentioned with the food delivery we are a nation that is tailoring more towards easy eating, although not as bad as the Americans!! I think better knowledge spreading around healthy habits would be good.
 

chiefdave

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #972
shmmeee said:
I was saying somewhere else, I’m not someone who enjoys exercise outside of five a side, but when I’ve lived somewhere walkable I regularly walked and kept on top of my weight. I’m the same person in the same environment, but little things really add up around how you live your life. But “first reorganise society” doesn’t help people in the here and now. It’s one reason why I’m so pro walkable cities and public transport tho. So many huge pressures against a healthy activity level, car focus, WFH, time pressures.
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Its so easy to get in to bad habits. I leave for work before 8, walk a few yards to my desk and then the vast majority of days don't get a break until I leave. Then its sitting in the car for 45 minutes to drive home. On a good day I'll get home at 7pm. I've then got 3 ish hours to exercise, make & eat dinner, deal with 2 elderly parents and any other things that need doing.

On my commute home I got past 5 drive throughs and god knows how many take aways. Its not really a shock that tired & stressed people think I can't be arsed to cook a healthy meal, I'll just stop off on the way home.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #973
There are so many fast food and drive-thru places now in the UK; there always seems to be more each time I visit.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #974
chiefdave said:
Its so easy to get in to bad habits. I leave for work before 8, walk a few yards to my desk and then the vast majority of days don't get a break until I leave. Then its sitting in the car for 45 minutes to drive home. On a good day I'll get home at 7pm. I've then got 3 ish hours to exercise, make & eat dinner, deal with 2 elderly parents and any other things that need doing.

On my commute home I got past 5 drive throughs and god knows how many take aways. Its not really a shock that tired & stressed people think I can't be arsed to cook a healthy meal, I'll just stop off on the way home.
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Yep. this is why WFH is so crucial for me, it really supports my ability to keep in healthy habits. Theres no wonder I'm in the best shape of my life, but working the most I ever have from home.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #975
I think a tax on drive through and delivery at least should come in. I remember going to the states twenty years ago and seeing drive through banks and laughing at how lazy they are, the only reason we don’t have them now is because banks aren’t a thing as much. Apart from anything else the air pollution from some of the Maccys drive through queues I see must be horrendous.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 12, 2025
  • #976
shmmeee said:
I think a tax on drive through and delivery at least should come in. I remember going to the states twenty years ago and seeing drive through banks and laughing at how lazy they are, the only reason we don’t have them now is because banks aren’t a thing as much. Apart from anything else the air pollution from some of the Maccys drive through queues I see must be horrendous.
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Uber eats is the worst, I remember at Uni one of my friends ubered mcdonalds breakfast. He lived opposite LOL.
 
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Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • May 21, 2025
  • #977
3rd boxing session last night , 90 mins flew by . Trainer is a really nice guy
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #978
Lost 7ILBS in the last two weeks , running 4 miles 3 times a week, boxing once a week, walk the dog for an hour everyday easily doing over 10 thousand steps a day through work and drinking 3 litres of water everyday

Really enjoying the boxing, I'm nearly 50 so just aiming to be a bit fitter after each session, struggle with the press ups but that will come in time
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 1, 2025
  • #979
Been doing a very slow cut now for the last 2 months. 8 pounds down and my strength has gone up.

I actually have a six pack for the first time since i was about 16.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 8, 2025
  • #980
robbiekeane said:
Just to repeat myself because you clearly have a bit of a comprehension issue, I don't upset me and I am not set against it.


The narrative that it is a miracle solution and nothing else works is dangerous because that will lead to mass overuse in inappropriate situations. The narrative that "nothing else works" very much diminished the importance of other well documented and proven methods which have already been mentioned, such as lifestyle changes, dietary modifications, and probably most importantly mental health interventions. Ozempic on its own isn't going to fix things, it's a short term boost but needs to be used in conjunction with these other things for long term physical and mental health. Otherwise people just rebound or cannot get themselves off it.

Implying that it should be "put in the water" really really over trivialises the use of what is, lets not forget, a prescription drug which as has been explained really makes some changes to the way the brain treats and manages energy requirements. Again, this is trivialising its intended purpose as a last-resort medication and before you know it can cause serious harm especialy to vulnerable groups. One look at tiktok or instagram trends already show young people experimenting with all sorts of extreme measures to alter their appearance, mostly driven by unattainable beauty standards. also potentially encouraging misuse by people without genuine medical need and worsening issues like body dysmorphia and eating disorders

Shouldn't be that hard for you to grasp but of course its not what you want to hear - what you want to hear is i hate fat people and im somehow against a solution for them and somehow many people have defied science and have been in calorie deficits for years but not lost weight. There's an insult for you
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I’ve actually u-turned so hard on this

Life changing for a family member. When combined with a real desire to change and permanent healthy lifestyle choices, incredible
 
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