David O'Day
Well-Known Member
It actually will be accurate next season
It actually will be accurate next seasonBut there is, for instance Team A has a goal chalked off for offside in R1, but was actually onside, under the new rules there are no replays, etc. Team A from National League misses out on much needed revenues and exposure. No VAR was able to intervene.
Fast forward to Sunday, the same scenario, City were denied a goal, of which there is huge doubt as to the offside call from VAR, add to this it was given as a goal by the on field official.
Unless VAR is 100% accurate, which we know it not to be, it should not be available in the qualifying rounds, earlier stages or the final.
How long have they been saying that for?It actually will be accurate next season
A month or so sine they announce they are not using the system that draws lines on TV pictures and moving to the semi automated system they use in the champions leagueHow long have they been saying that for?
I assume you don’t have the same issue with goal-line technology, even though that’s not generally available until later in the competition?But there is, for instance Team A has a goal chalked off for offside in R1, but was actually onside, under the new rules there are no replays, etc. Team A from National League misses out on much needed revenues and exposure. No VAR was able to intervene.
Fast forward to Sunday, the same scenario, City were denied a goal, of which there is huge doubt as to the offside call from VAR, add to this it was given as a goal by the on field official.
Unless VAR is 100% accurate, which we know it not to be, it should not be available in the qualifying rounds, earlier stages or the final.
And we never heard of a VAR controversy ever again…A month or so sine they announce they are not using the system that draws lines on TV pictures and moving to the semi automated system they use in the champions league
No, it needs to stay but it only needs to be used on things it was meant to fixI assume you don’t have the same issue with goal-line technology, even though that’s not generally available until later in the competition?
The problem, as you point out, is that while goal-line technology actually solves the problem it was invented to fix, VAR doesn’t. The former allows us to play the game we’ve always played; the latter is having to change it bit by bit to hide its own shortcomings.
Just get rid of it.
not like this as there are no lines to be drawnAnd we never heard of a VAR controversy ever again…
Listen to yourself.
And your foolproof definition of “clearly wrong” is what?not like this as there are no lines to be drawn
sorry you don't understand technology
also as i said it's meant for decisions that are clearly wrong
We do need to stop talking about corruptio, as someone said we are getting to Sunderland levels here
It was an awful ecisions made using the wrong frame but it's just that a cock up not anything more
it's delusional to think someone decided to cheat to get united to the finalJust a cock up. thats cost us Millions of pounds......
The thing that doesnt sit right with it. It how quick it took. in prem games matches have been stopped for minutes for VAR offside checks.
it's delusional to think someone decided to cheat to get united to the final
if that was the case then they would of taken a lot longer trying to overrule our pen
it's a bad mistake but it's not someone cheating
my original post wasn't aimed at you then was itI havent said it someone cheating.
The pen was an on field decision. So would have been very difficult to overrule.
No chance of controversy or corruption allegations here!1) If it's so tight you have to draw lines - which a lot of the time are drawn incorrectly (timing, not straight, etc) then go with the on field decision
2) If the decision takes longer than 30 seconds, go with the on field decision
it's delusional to think someone decided to cheat to get united to the final
if that was the case then they would of taken a lot longer trying to overrule our pen
it's a bad mistake but it's not someone cheating
Not going to be though is it. It's here to stay, like it or notThere’s no issue with certain FA Cup games having different levels of technology available at different levels of the tournament - that’s just a reality of the football pyramid, so long as you’re playing by the same rules it’s fine.
By saying that VAR should be used always or not at all, you’re kind of tacitly admitting that VAR is bending the rules of football itself. The whole thing needs to be scrapped, it’s just not achieving what it was meant to do.
100% agree. Also it was like a scoop pass so the ball would have been in contact with his foot/laces or whatever longer.This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266
Exactly how I see it too and surely anyone with a bit of common sense.VAR should abide by 2 rules in my opinion
1) If it's so tight you have to draw lines - which a lot of the time are drawn incorrectly (timing, not straight, etc) then go with the on field decision
2) If the decision takes longer than 30 seconds, go with the on field decision
It was meant to be used for clear and obvious errors - if either of the above are true, it matches neither of those objectives
Doesn’t have to beNot going to be though is it. It's here to stay, like it or not
Exactly how I see it too and surely anyone with a bit of common sense.
It has happened plenty of times under the old methods when referees get into lengthy discussions with linesmen.personally I preferred the old method that didn’t involve historic goals getting nullified two minutes after they happened.
At the very least, the audio coming out and an apology. In a world where everything is on our side, a replay. It’s a slim to nothing chance, but so was coming back from 3-0 down at 72 mins.What do people seriously expect from it being appealed? Most neutral fans I’ve spoken to about it actually agreed that it was offside….technically.
What do people seriously expect from it being appealed? Most neutral fans I’ve spoken to about it actually agreed that it was offside….technically.
At the very least, the audio coming out and an apology. In a world where everything is on our side, a replay. It’s a slim to nothing chance, but so was coming back from 3-0 down at 72 mins.
We need to act as quick as possible though and obviously get the club on board with this too. Again, I think it’s a joke from them not to be raising this already.
I think it’s unlikely the club will do to be honest. There’s also zero chance of a replay.At the very least, the audio coming out and an apology. In a world where everything is on our side, a replay. It’s a slim to nothing chance, but so was coming back from 3-0 down at 72 mins.
We need to act as quick as possible though and obviously get the club on board with this too. Again, I think it’s a joke from them not to be raising this already.
If the picture VAR used to make the decision is the one where the line is a couple of inches over Wan Bissaka's boot then whoever made the decision and whoever drew the line (same person maybe?) is an idiot. Even if it turns out Wright is offside, the evidence provided does not show that at all. If there is another angle, another graphic or whatever that was used to come to the decision then let's see it. I would also be very interested to hear any audio from the VAR box. If it turns out the wrong decision was made then I would prefer an apology than radio silence but if there is something (that VAR saw at the time) that proves the right decision was made I would also prefer to see that than see what we have been shown.
No but there is a chance money as compo either from the fa or Utd like take the whole fee from the matchI think it’s unlikely the club will do to be honest. There’s also zero chance of a replay.
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