Gynnsthetonic
Well-Known Member
I'd of took it
I'd of took itExactly that
Do we really want the final game of our season to be a hammering by Man City?
If you only want to see games where we’re likely to win you’re picking the wrong clubExactly that
Do we really want the final game of our season to be a hammering by Man City?
Of course we did, it's a fucking FA Cup final! To have been the Championship club that genuinely battled their way to the final would have been phenomenal, regardless of the result.Exactly that
Do we really want the final game of our season to be a hammering by Man City?
I don’t want a replay, I want the prize money. In light of that, I just want the audio from the VAR room
I don't think there is any conspiracy. I just think there is ineptitude.
Which needs clarityApparently the offside is judged from when the pass is deemed to have been played, not when the ball has left the foot
Ha! I was banging on about Istanbul at three down... more gallows humour... but then brought it back up at 3-3 with 'told ya' like I was some sage!Liverpool bang on about the ‘miracle’ of Istanbul where they, Champions League level, came back from 0-3 against another Champions League level team, to draw and win the shoot out. Yesterday would have eclipsed that ‘miracle’ when a team 8th in the Championship cane back from 0-3 to Man Utd with 20 minutes to go and won 4-3. History, and snatched away. The united players were all on the floor, half their ‘fans’ had gone and some absolute bell end of a VAR bends over backwards to rule the goal out.
Apparently the offside is judged from when the pass is deemed to have been played, not when the ball has left the foot
Get rid of digital thinking, it's a shit decision stop defending it or at least appeasing it it's not real!!Yep wasn’t clear and obvious is bang on
He’s technically off there’s no conspiracy but it’s just a wrong headed decision to rule it out
How do you Gauge there is nothing to prove from it? A potential rematch? I’m not saying it is at all likely, but when it is absolutely clear and obvious that there is a line drawn over Wan-Bissaka’s boot
Why the pessimism? You’re basically forfeiting the game. Absolute shithouse attitude tbh and anybody with an attitude like that doesn’t need to be around our support in my eyes. People like yourselves are the ones who leave when we’re 2/3-0 down, piss off for a pint 10 mins early. Defeatist attitude gets you NOWHERE in life.
End of the day, we have a major case here. Forest are doing it for far less, so why the fuck shouldn’t we?
given that the camera is not dead in line how do they account for the parallax angle when deciding if a shoulder makes someone onside of offside?This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266
The offside system is the one aspect of VAR that I believe can work well in the future. But I think it needs a major overhaul to stop decisions such as this one from happeningJust bin it off and stop defending something that is pure evil!
They need to start accounting for the margin of error. This is exactly why they have umpire’s call in cricketgiven that the camera is not dead in line how do they account for the parallax angle when deciding if a shoulder makes someone onside of offside?
They do their bestgiven that the camera is not dead in line how do they account for the parallax angle when deciding if a shoulder makes someone onside of offside?
This is exactly how I got it drawing the lines myself.This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266
The margin of error is around 15cm when you factor in frame rates, speed of players and speed on the ball. But you also can't reliably draw lines based on something in the air like a shoulder so that adds something else in.They need to start accounting for the margin of error. This is exactly why they have umpire’s call in cricket
Not sure that's enough. In other sports the rule for video replay is that there has to be conclusive evidence to overrule the decision on the pitch, wouldn't that be better than having someone doing their best to get lines in the right place?They do their best
YesNot sure that's enough. In other sports the rule for video replay is that there has to be conclusive evidence to overrule the decision on the pitch, wouldn't that be better than having someone doing their best to get lines in the right place?
If that's correct, I would imagine it's when Cal initially made contact with the ball to play the pass, rather than when it left his boot.What does that even mean?
Is this really the next great debate?If that's correct, I would imagine it's when Cal initially made contact with the ball to play the pass, rather than when it left his boot.
We could push 100 pages if we tryIs this really the next great debate?
Is no different from "we'll give it a go".They do their best
Doesn’t say that in the offside part but yep it’s got to beHe first made contact with it 20 yards further back as he ran forwards with it, so where does he make the pass? Surely it has to be when the ball has left his foot
We will have gained an enormous worldwide presence yesterday. It will make us even more attractive to incoming players and media etc. we have to hold our heads high and move on to an exciting summer .I'd say there's no point in complaining as nothing will be done about it. They're certainly not going to replay the match or award us the match or anything.
That said, the system is obviously shite. I've just seen the Nottingham Forest decisions from yesterday and the statement they've released. They've also got good reason to complain.
Like I said, nothing will be done to the betterment of our position. But if no one complains, nothing changes and the whole thing needs to be reviewed.
I would love to hear the audio - it ought to be mandatoryI don’t want a replay, I want the prize money. In light of that, I just want the audio from the VAR room
It’ll beI would love to hear the audio - it ought to be mandatory
If that's their best, they need to give up their day jobs.They do their best
Exactly my argument. Just use it for the clear and obvious, so stuff the officials have very clearly missed and everyone will be happy and VAR would work just fine.The margin of error is around 15cm when you factor in frame rates, speed of players and speed on the ball. But you also can't reliably draw lines based on something in the air like a shoulder so that adds something else in.
Which brings us back to clear and obvious. Nobody would have an issue with VAR if it was only being used to stop the massive errors.
Savage says without var the goal is givenExactly my argument. Just use it for the clear and obvious, so stuff the officials have very clearly missed and everyone will be happy and VAR would work just fine.
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