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Moff · Jan 6, 2025

shmmeee said:
Oh I wanted him gone after 0 games.

I'm going to stick my neck out Shmmeee and say that's two of us.

I thought it was a poor appointment, and still do, more for Doug's ego to have a marquee appointment than someone who is actually going to move us forward in the manner we have been for several seasons.

We are undoubtedly poor, and remain so, which I would have expected would have changed with Lampard's introduction. Something should have changed, but it hasn't, and if it doesn't soon we are going to be in serious trouble come May.

Hobo · Jan 6, 2025

Ridiculous some people wanting Lampard gone after only 9 games. It is not like he has lost all 9 games

Plus the way the fixtures have fell recently there has been little time for him and staff to have done any real coaching. It's mainly been game, recovery, prep for next game, game and repeat.

Grendel · Jan 7, 2025

Sick Boy said:
There are been a couple of others but can’t be arsed to find them.

@Tomh111 is another

Tomh111 · Jan 7, 2025

Sick Boy said:
There are been a couple of others but can’t be arsed to find them.

Yes.

I think his appointment was a mistake and you don't compound mistakes by sticking with them.

He's changed nothing, achieved no new manager ager 'bounce' and if anything the side look lower on confidence than before.

All through the easiest stretch of games we have all season.

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Tomh111 · Jan 7, 2025

Hobo said:
Ridiculous some people wanting Lampard gone after only 9 games. It is not like he has lost all 9 games

Plus the way the fixtures have fell recently there has been little time for him and staff to have done any real coaching. It's mainly been game, recovery, prep for next game, game and repeat.

We play 8 matches in the league before the end of Feb.

Do we excuse the next 8 because there's little time to coach them again?

In that 8 match run, 7 are above us in the league. 2 are legitimately in play-off contention, with 2 others having an outside sniff. We also play top of the league.

Does anybody have any faith that Frank Lampard and his coaching team are getting any results in that lot?

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Skyblue Bangkok · Jan 7, 2025

Frostie said:
Best wishes!

Go

Moff said:
I'm going to stick my neck out Shmmeee and say that's two of us.

I thought it was a poor appointment, and still do, more for Doug's ego to have a marquee appointment than someone who is actually going to move us forward in the manner we have been for several seasons.

We are undoubtedly poor, and remain so, which I would have expected would have changed with Lampard's introduction. Something should have changed, but it hasn't, and if it doesn't soon we are going to be in serious trouble come May.

Don't want him gone but I was always sceptical about his appointment. Think DK went for a " name" who like Rooney, Gerrard isn't that good. Would have preferred the guy at Wycombe, or even Walsall , or someone in the mould of the Shef Wed manager.

Nick · Jan 7, 2025

Let's face it, if we got the guy from Wycombe people would be fuming about "no ambition".

Skyblue Bangkok · Jan 7, 2025

Nick said:
Let's face it, if we got the guy from Wycombe people would be fuming about "no ambition".

Lol you know you are probably correct.

skybluecam · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
We play 8 matches in the league before the end of Feb.

Do we excuse the next 8 because there's little time to coach them again?

In that 8 match run, 7 are above us in the league. 2 are legitimately in play-off contention, with 2 others having an outside sniff. We also play top of the league.

Does anybody have any faith that Frank Lampard and his coaching team are getting any results in that lot?

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That's still more time to train, December to Jan is always the most congested time of year for fixtures.

I'm reasonably confident we'll get results.

Tomh111 · Jan 7, 2025

skybluecam said:
That's still more time to train, December to Jan is always the most congested time of year for fixtures.

I'm reasonably confident we'll get results.

I hope you're right, but I see nothing on the pitch that suggests we are about to click.

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FergieTheFinisher · Jan 7, 2025

TBF I’m not sure any manger could have made a huge difference over the last 9 games when frequency and injuries are taken into account.

I think FL loves football, really wants management to be a success and clearly is not doing it purely for a pay cheque. So, I think we will get the best he has to offer, which I personally think will be good, but only time will tell if it is good enough.

I personally think we were noticeably more organised defensively on Saturday. When their equaliser came in I have no real complaints with how our back line set up as a unit. It took an out of the box worldie to score. we did crumble/panic after that for their second.

But compared to the defensive shit show I’ve witnessed earlier this season, I’d say we are moving in the right direction. ( though still a way to go ) Kitch deserves more starts.

I agree with the one in one out philosophy, as we are not rich enough to have an ever increasing squad of meh players. Players like Lati and JDS need to be moved on whilst they still have a couple of years on contract and we should offload for a profit. They do have financial value and will do a good job at other teams or leagues.

I am confident we will see a better second half to the season.

skybluecam · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
I hope you're right, but I see nothing on the pitch that suggests we are about to click.

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We'll be a completely different side when EMC and Wright are back.

The 6 games under Lampard where EMC was available our underlying stats were incredible and we were unlucky not to get more points (cheers Brad).

Tomh111 · Jan 7, 2025

skybluecam said:
We'll be a completely different side when EMC and Wright are back.

The 6 games under Lampard where EMC was available our underlying stats were incredible and we were unlucky not to get more points (cheers Brad).

How do we get EMC and Wright on together?

I know our stats, but they're not different to MR and we played the weakest teams in the division.

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skybluecam · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
How do we get EMC and Wright on together?

I know our stats, but they're not different to MR and we played the weakest teams in the division.

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EMC left, Wright central. But just having either on the pitch is a massive boost.

They're significantly different to MR, MR avg xG 1.46, xGA 1.08. Lampard (with EMC) xG 2.22, xGA 0.83. Lampard Overall xG 1.90, xGA 0.97

MalcSB · Jan 7, 2025

Frostie said:
I think people are looking for positives that aren't really there.

Sheaf has been up & down all season (more down than up unfortunately) but Eccles has only fallen off a cliff since Lampard came in.

We also actually have less successful crosses per game now than we did before Lampard.
We scored goals from crosses to the back post vs Everton in pre-season & vs Oxford, Middlesbrough & Sunderland pre Lampard & missed countless other opportunities from that position too (EMC particularly guilty), it was always a part of our gameplan this season.

Is scoring 2 relatively long range goals in one match really falling off a cliff?

Tomh111 · Jan 7, 2025

skybluecam said:
EMC left, Wright central. But just having either on the pitch is a massive boost.

They're significantly different to MR, MR avg xG 1.46, xGA 1.08. Lampard (with EMC) xG 2.22, xGA 0.83. Lampard Overall xG 1.90, xGA 0.97

I don't think that you can rely on games where Lampard had players available and compare to the start of the season. That skews things in an arguments favour.

I also think you have to apply logic to those stats, they're a guide and not gospel.

We've played the worst teams in the division under Lampard.

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skybluecam · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
I don't think that you can rely on games where Lampard had players available and compare to the start of the season. That skews things in an arguments favour.

I also think you have to apply logic to those stats, they're a guide and not gospel.

We've played the worst teams in the division under Lampard.

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Even when you include the games missing EMC his stats are much better than Robins though?

You can only play what's in front of you. My read/hope is that they are positive signs.

Skyblue Bangkok · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
I hope you're right, but I see nothing on the pitch that suggests we are about to click.

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He's been getting jobs because of his name , otherwise he'd probably be lucky to get a job as assistant manager at Southend Utd.A quote on vblog I'm just watching that has FL as 5 th worst manager under the title of 7 th Great footballers who are awful managers ( HITC Sevens on YouTube.)

Grendel · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
I hope you're right, but I see nothing on the pitch that suggests we are about to click.

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We weren’t clicking before - I don’t think Man U will be sacking their manager do you?

Frostie · Jan 7, 2025

MalcSB said:
Is scoring 2 relatively long range goals in one match really falling off a cliff?

1 good game in 9 (against the poorest opposition we've ever played at this level). He's gone from being out most consistent player to not even a guaranteed starter & when he has played he's been poor with the exception of that game vs Plymouth.

PVA · Jan 7, 2025

Grendel said:
We weren’t clicking before - I don’t think Man U will be sacking their manager do you?

2 wins, a draw and a bit of a freak defeat in the last 4 games suggests we might have been about to click. We'll never know.

Hobo · Jan 7, 2025

Tomh111 said:
We play 8 matches in the league before the end of Feb.

Do we excuse the next 8 because there's little time to coach them again?

In that 8 match run, 7 are above us in the league. 2 are legitimately in play-off contention, with 2 others having an outside sniff. We also play top of the league.

Does anybody have any faith that Frank Lampard and his coaching team are getting any results in that lot?

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No I would expect some improvement in certain areas. But the point I am making is fixture congestion does slow down the input of the coaches, because you are learning in game time rather than in coaching sessions. Feel free to ask any coach or manager at the professional level.

clint van damme · Jan 7, 2025

All sacking managers after 9 games does is make you look a laughing stock.

shmmeee · Jan 7, 2025

clint van damme said:
All sacking managers after 9 games does is make you look a laughing stock.

Id argue we passed that rubicon nine games ago.

clint van damme · Jan 7, 2025

shmmeee said:
Id argue we passed that rubicon nine games ago.

Let's not compound it then.

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 7, 2025

shmmeee said:
Id argue we passed that rubicon nine games ago.

Didn’t have us turning into Watford on my bingo card

clint van damme · Jan 7, 2025

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Didn’t have us turning into Watford on my bingo card

Yeah, or Stoke. Ridiculous the way they go through managers.

shmmeee · Jan 7, 2025

clint van damme said:
Let's not compound it then.

Not comparing the managerial quality, but would anyone have laughed at Plymouth for getting rid of Rooney earlier?

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 7, 2025

shmmeee said:
Not comparing the managerial quality, but would anyone have laughed at Plymouth for getting rid of Rooney earlier?

No but the argument would be, let’s say Plymouth sign Steven Schumical and he starts ok, they then sack him.

clint van damme · Jan 7, 2025

shmmeee said:
Not comparing the managerial quality, but would anyone have laughed at Plymouth for getting rid of Rooney earlier?

Rooneys record didnt read W3 D3 L3 though.

I mean I think you're wrong but I'm not going to get in a big debate about it. I was Slade out very early so understand the sentiment but its not for me on this occasion.

shmmeee · Jan 7, 2025

Sky Blue Goblin said:
No but the argument would be, let’s say Plymouth sign Steven Schumical and he starts ok, they then sack him.

He’s a manager though and we haven’t started OK. We’ve started poorly.

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 7, 2025

shmmeee said:
He’s a manager though and we haven’t started OK. We’ve started poorly.

I mean I think it’s okay but each his own. The problem your just compounding costs where in reality is there any manager who could have the direct impact on this group with the confidence in the gutter.

Moff · Jan 7, 2025

Nick said:
Let's face it, if we got the guy from Wycombe people would be fuming about "no ambition".

I don't disagree that probably would have been the case....I know I would have preferred Eustace and not because he was an ex player, but we are where we are and although I didn't want Lampard I will support the team whoever is in charge....I just fear he is going to be the first in a list of chop and change appointments and it will be years before we have another steadying hand in charge again.

shmmeee · Jan 7, 2025

Nick said:
Let's face it, if we got the guy from Wycombe people would be fuming about "no ambition".

Some would. Not me personally. I wanted a proper up and coming manager who had already cut his teeth. Lampard wasn’t ambitious IMO, he was sat on the scrap pile until we rescued him.

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 7, 2025

shmmeee said:
Some would. Not me personally. I wanted a proper up and coming manager who had already cut his teeth. Lampard wasn’t ambitious IMO, he was sat on the scrap pile until we rescued him.

To be fair how long has Matt been managing at Wycombe? Under the impression he’s only been managed for one and half years.

Superior choice would of been Evatt

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