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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (8 Viewers)

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Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #421
I'm guessing there is a HMRC internal guidance notes on taking this on.

It won't be the first time.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #422
wingy said:
Conveniently trying to stifle actions of the bondholders.
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I think the pressure on them is coming from all sides. Only a short window of time now, which is going to close very fast.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #423
jordan210 said:
We understand this lasted around 20 minutes and people were told the club was in advanced talks and things will move fast with the next step - with the overall tone being a 'hopeful' one. But there is a waiting game to be played.

There was a feeling relayed that HMRC's issuing of a winding-up order came as a surprise.
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If I was a member of staff I wouldn't find that particularly reassuring given that we've seen months of statements about this all being sorted imminently.
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #424
oldfiver said:
It is possible to get an extension to the 10 days if evidence shows funds are immediately forthcoming after the

Have HMRC actually petitioned? If not why would WASPs publicise it? This is an active decision not wholly linked to HMRC
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Do you think that they have taken the 10 day option as they new that HMRC had had enough and they are trying to negotiate extra funding to cover the amount owed to them as well as the bond holders? Just a thought.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #425
You would think if they had solid evidence that they will be able to pay HMRC in 10 days then they wouldn't put in a winding up order.
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #426
Nick said:
You would think if they had solid evidence that they will be able to pay HMRC in 10 days then they wouldn't put in a winding up order.
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I did spot something about Rugby had extended a TV boardcast deal today. basicly like ifollow. Wonder if the plan was to use any money to pay the minimum to keep HMRC of their backs
 

Mcbean

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #427
How many clubs have HMRC wound up - is it any ?
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #428
jordan210 said:
I did spot something about Rugby had extended a TV boardcast deal today. basicly like ifollow. Wonder if the plan was to use any money to pay the minimum to keep HMRC of their backs
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Is that the PTI thing? If so that's just extending an existing deal, don't think it will bring much, if any, extra revenue. They were pushing for a new TV deal that included a dedicated rugby channel but couldn't get any interest and I think as a last resort they had to go back to BT and extend their existing deal on the same terms as they were in danger of ending up with no deal at all.
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Sep 22, 2022
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chiefdave said:
Is that the PTI thing? If so that's just extending an existing deal, don't think it will bring much, if any, extra revenue. They were pushing for a new TV deal that included a dedicated rugby channel but couldn't get any interest and I think as a last resort they had to go back to BT and extend their existing deal on the same terms as they were in danger of ending up with no deal at all.
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Kind of like Sky Sports Football but it would have been BT Rugby?

Doubt that would work but I do see an iFollow model would be of benefit, particularly for London based fans who won't want to travel, assuming they let UK people watch it legally. Might be the only way to actually get people to watch them, can't keep giving away tickets.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #430
Nick said:
You would think if they had solid evidence that they will be able to pay HMRC in 10 days then they wouldn't put in a winding up order.
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Depends on the amount owed - I’ve heard from admittedly a not always reliable source it’s rather a lot
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #431
Quoted at £6M in the first story wasn't it?
 

better days

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #432
Grendel said:
Depends on the amount owed - I’ve heard from admittedly a not always reliable source it’s rather a lot
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It says £6m in today's Times
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #433
better days said:
It says £6m in today's Times
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I think it’s rather more than that
 

hill83

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #434


Deleting loads of old photos and found this gem
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #435
hill83 said:
View attachment 26286

Deleting loads of old photos and found this gem
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Imagine what her worst decisions were like.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #436
Grendel said:
I think it’s rather more than that
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So how will Richardson wangle his way out?
 
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coop

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #437
Just saying on BBC news that it's there to allow wasps time to talk to potential buyers.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #438
Grendel said:
I think it’s rather more than that
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£12m?
 

lord_garrincha

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #439
MalcSB said:
£12m?
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IT'S TIME FOR...



... PLAY YOUR WASPS DEBT RIGHT!!!
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #440
MalcSB said:
£12m?
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I think it might be up to £15 as I think the £6m is not including Covid fund support
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #441
But that may not be true it’s just a rumour
 

torchomatic

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #442
wingy said:
Quoted at £6M in the first story wasn't it?
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That's how much Worcester Warriors owe.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #443
Do HMRC allow you to negotiate some pennies for a pound or will any new owner have to pay it in full?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #444
Nick said:
You would think if they had solid evidence that they will be able to pay HMRC in 10 days then they wouldn't put in a winding up order.
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They might be able to get one more moratorium down at the end of the initial ten days which would extend for another 10 days. Depends on what’s happening and if a solution is possible

Nick said:
Do HMRC allow you to negotiate some pennies for a pound or will any new owner have to pay it in full?
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If it goes into administration it’s the administrators job to try to get the most for the assets, creditors will then get what they get. This is unless the administrator wants to exit administration via CVA (which means entity/company survives) in which case the creditors would either be repaid in full (unlikely) or receive a pence in the pound proposal they then accept or reject. Not sure why they’d bother with a CVA unless there was something in the rugby rules which means it’s required. Don’t know if this is the case or not
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #445
Sounds like to buy Wasps clearing debt to HMRC, bondholders and Richardson (£18m) would cost £65m plus.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #446
MalcSB said:
Sounds like to buy Wasps clearing debt to HMRC, bondholders and Richardson (£18m) would cost £65m plus.
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I think so
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #447
Grendel said:
I think so
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wouldn’t that be similar to buying CCFC and just the arena (ACL).
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #448
MalcSB said:
Sounds like to buy Wasps clearing debt to HMRC, bondholders and Richardson (£18m) would cost £65m plus.
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Can @Mild-Mannered Janitor set up a go fund me page as a sticky ?
 
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Mcbean

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #449
If it were you or me you could got to jail or be fined for non payment
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #450
Rugby League world cup in October. Some Matches are at the CBS. Here we go again.
Who is responsible for the pitch as things stand ?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #451
hill83 said:
View attachment 26286

Deleting loads of old photos and found this gem
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I quote tweeted it the other day, important to keep reminding these bellends

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #452
CCFCSteve said:
They might be able to get one more moratorium down at the end of the initial ten days which would extend for another 10 days. Depends on what’s happening and if a solution is possible



If it goes into administration it’s the administrators job to try to get the most for the assets, creditors will then get what they get. This is unless the administrator wants to exit administration via CVA (which means entity/company survives) in which case the creditors would either be repaid in full (unlikely) or receive a pence in the pound proposal they then accept or reject. Not sure why they’d bother with a CVA unless there was something in the rugby rules which means it’s required. Don’t know if this is the case or not
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One advantage of a CVA is it does not require a report on the Directors and their performance as does a liquidation
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #453
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Can @Mild-Mannered Janitor set up a go fund me page as a sticky ?
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Plus Compass and DCMS loans
 

slowpoke

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #454
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Rugby League world cup in October. Some Matches are at the CBS. Here we go again.
Who is responsible for the pitch as things stand ?
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Think it is just one game at CBS Australia is one team I believe
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Sep 22, 2022
  • #455
oldfiver said:
One advantage of a CVA is it does not require a report on the Directors and their performance as does a liquidation
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Agreed. If it goes into administration first the administrators will have to do a conduct report though. Looks like administration is the likely process unless a solvent deal is secured, how they exit is the unknown
 
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