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djr8369

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #5,636
If the wasps holding company was dissolved, the lease then reverted back to the council, could the council just sell it back to a new wasps holding company for a pitiful sum again?

On another note, there’s no chance the bond holders get all their money back, is there?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #5,637
djr8369 said:
If the wasps holding company was dissolved, the lease then reverted back to the council, could the council just sell it back to a new wasps holding company for a pitiful sum again?

On another note, there’s no chance the bond holders get all their money back, is there?
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The council will be worried both financially and politically that WASPS will fail

Equally they are aware of local opinion and the gathering criticism of their pandering to WASPS

So expect some very creative PR !!

So exo

The Council canni
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,638
The ratepayers of Coventry have voted with their feet. Wasps is a dead duck.
Any money given to them will be taken from Coventry citizens. How would this be paid back? Free tickets to watch paint dry.

What is wasps core following? 4k fans.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,639
Flying Fokker said:
The ratepayers of Coventry have voted with their feet. Wasps is a dead duck.
Any money given to them will be taken from Coventry citizens. How would this be paid back? Free tickets to watch paint dry.

What is wasps core following? 4k fans.
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The application was sidestepped by CCC to WMCA. They get funded by Central Government so I suspect they will argue not local monies being used. It does beg the question however- how do WASPs always seem to get preferential treatment
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,640
oldfiver said:
The application was sidestepped by CCC to WMCA. They get funded by Central Government so I suspect they will argue not local monies being used. It does beg the question however- how do WASPs always seem to get preferential treatment
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Whatever happens they're going to keep losing millions, it's unsustainable.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,641
oldfiver said:
The application was sidestepped by CCC to WMCA. They get funded by Central Government so I suspect they will argue not local monies being used. It does beg the question however- how do WASPs always seem to get preferential treatment
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It hasn’t been granted yet and it does seem that the latest announcement on bonds is going to be as late as possible on Friday so it’s likely to not confirm the matter has been resolved
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,642
Grendel said:
It hasn’t been granted yet and it does seem that the latest announcement on bonds is going to be as late as possible on Friday so it’s likely to not confirm the matter has been resolved
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They’ll get the money
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,643
Sky Blue Pete said:
They’ll get the money
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I'm not so sure, on what grounds, Birmingham City should apply then, it could open a can of worms.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,644
oldfiver said:
The application was sidestepped by CCC to WMCA. They get funded by Central Government so I suspect they will argue not local monies being used. It does beg the question however- how do WASPs always seem to get preferential treatment
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Well if they grant it they set a precedent of clubs running into financial trouble and getting bailed out by the taxpayer. So interesting to see how they weave that one.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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Gynnsthetonic said:
I'm not so sure, on what grounds, Birmingham City should apply then, it could open a can of worms.
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They need it
They can’t fail
Relationships between key players
Its outrageous

It will be agreed unanimously behind closed doors and ccc will find it. They can’t fail
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,646
Yeah I can see some money appearing from somewhere with some lame bullshit reasoning.

Reeves isn't going to let them fail.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,647
Nothing from mr Gilbert recently?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,648
Sky Blue Pete said:
They need it
They can’t fail
Relationships between key players
Its outrageous

It will be agreed unanimously behind closed doors and ccc will find it. They can’t fail
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It won't be agreed, have faith, its not just CCC involved in this but all the other West Mids councils who hopefully see sense and turn it down.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,649
I don’t live in Coventry - so I wrote to my MP as a “concerned midlands citizen not happy that during this cost of living crisis I’m subsidising a company that won’t benefit the rest of the midlands”

surprisingly for a Tory he was receptive to my complaints and has gone to find out more for me.,
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,650
CCFC54321 said:
Nothing from mr Gilbert recently?
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Hopefully digging some dirt
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,651
Current thoughts about all this is: how long does it take LSE to reinstate the bond on the market, and what will happen to the bond price when they do...
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,652
Philosorapter said:
Current thoughts about all this is: how long does it take LSE to reinstate the bond on the market, and what will happen to the bond price when they do...
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It’s unlikely they will be reinstated
 

Bugsy

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,653
CCFC54321 said:
Nothing from mr Gilbert recently?
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to busy banging McKenzie's mum
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,654
The concern for WMCA will surely be Birmingham City. They can't open half the ground until work is done and that's surely a much stronger case for economic benefit to the area or whatever waffle Wasps come up with. It really opens up a can of worms if they hand out money.

Having said that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they got it. Look at the sham with the money from the Commonwealth Games. After all this time that Wasps have claimed its a state of the art venue all of a sudden they can't host the games unless they get a large grant, something no other Games venue has had as far as I can tell. And lets be honest, the works done don't really stack up with the money given.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,655
Grendel said:
It’s unlikely they will be reinstated
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Agree, it’s far too late.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,656
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I don’t live in Coventry - so I wrote to my MP as a “concerned midlands citizen not happy that during this cost of living crisis I’m subsidising a company that won’t benefit the rest of the midlands”

surprisingly for a Tory he was receptive to my complaints and has gone to find out more for me.,
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Can you say which MP?
 

jordan210

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,657
Next update is due no later than the 29th of July


 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,658
chiefdave said:
The concern for WMCA will surely be Birmingham City. They can't open half the ground until work is done and that's surely a much stronger case for economic benefit to the area or whatever waffle Wasps come up with. It really opens up a can of worms if they hand out money.

Having said that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they got it. Look at the sham with the money from the Commonwealth Games. After all this time that Wasps have claimed its a state of the art venue all of a sudden they can't host the games unless they get a large grant, something no other Games venue has had as far as I can tell. And lets be honest, the works done don't really stack up with the money given.
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It would surely only be a concern regarding Birmingham City if they have applied for funding
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,659
Sky Blue Pete said:
They need it
They can’t fail
Relationships between key players
Its outrageous

It will be agreed unanimously behind closed doors and ccc will find it. They can’t fail
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I would thing the concern for wasps will be timing. They will clearly not get the bond funding until they get the grant and time is getting tight.

I can’t see how grants or loans either can be issued until the delayed accounts are approved
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,660
jordan210 said:
Next update is due no later than the 29th of July


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The update will say they are still progressing to being able to give another update in August
Grendel said:
I would thing the concern for wasps will be timing. They will clearly not get the bond funding until they get the grant and time is getting tight.

I can’t see how grants or loans either can be issued until the delayed accounts are approved
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If the parent company accounts were approved last November the subsidiaries/ associated would have had to been approved

The question should be why not published?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,661
oldfiver said:
Can you say which MP?
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maybe not the best idea - don’t want him knowing I have a personal interest

made it sound like I’m a concerned citizen from far a field
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,662
oldfiver said:
The update will say they are still progressing to being able to give another update in August


If the parent company accounts were approved last November the subsidiaries/ associated would have had to been approved

The question should be why not published?
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Well if they don't publish their accounts they won't get funding then, so why don't they just publish them.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,663
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
maybe not the best idea - don’t want him knowing I have a personal interest

made it sound like I’m a concerned citizen from far a field
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Wycombe?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,664
Grendel said:
It would surely only be a concern regarding Birmingham City if they have applied for funding
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If they have not yet applied they certainly will if WASPS get funding

Have just passed the Arena, road signs warning of closures next week. How many they expecting? More significant is they refer to Birmingham 2022!!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,665
oldfiver said:
If they have not yet applied they certainly will if WASPS get funding

Have just passed the Arena, road signs warning of closures next week. How many they expecting? More significant is they refer to Birmingham 2022!!
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Yeah the whole branding is Birmingham 2022. Everything else is covered up.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,666
Is there actually much going on at the Arena I haven’t bothered to look. Saw the logos when I drove past and thought that’s a bit of a waste of money for such a small time.
 

vow

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,667
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Is there actually much going on at the Arena I haven’t bothered to look. Saw the logos when I drove past and thought that’s a bit of a waste of money for such a small time.
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Netball and tiddlywinks I believe
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,668
oldfiver said:
Wycombe?
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Nah it’s James Morris - I live near Halesowen
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,669
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Nah it’s James Morris - I live near Halesowen
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Sandwell council leader brands MP James Morris a 'coward'

Steve Eling says he will launch a complaint over MP James Morris's speech in Parliament.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #5,670
oldfiver said:

Sandwell council leader brands MP James Morris a 'coward'

Steve Eling says he will launch a complaint over MP James Morris's speech in Parliament.
www.bbc.co.uk
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His voting history is chequered aswell, was definitely a big Boris supporter. But if he stops the wasps money… he’s alright in my books
 
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