Was anything thrown today ?

SlowerThanPlatt

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How strange that i saw the smoke bomb land in our goal and yet on their forum some nob says he saw it hit a women in the crowd. Bunch of lying low life.
they also say we are jelous of their huge crowds because we were singingfootball in a library. The truth hurts they may have had 40,000 but other than the sba Ive heard more noise at funeral. The atmosphere from their lot was woeful and they still have the billy big bollocks attitude. Do they really think they played above us today. The fact is without Ohare and Dabo fully fit we took a while to find our way into the game but other than the first 20 minutes they were shit, created nothing, played hoof div1 ball and if we had had a decent ref would have been down to 10 men and 3-1 down for their cynical clogger fouling
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It was a very quiet 39000 home fans mind you , I've been there 3 times and I think it's on par with blackburn for noise , we will be much louder with just over half that

Its fact it's not bitterness they simply don't sing .. middlesbrough fans so so so much louder last season
 

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It was a very quiet 39000 home fans mind you , I've been there 3 times and I think it's on par with blackburn for noise , we will be much louder with just over half that

Its fact it's not bitterness they simply don't sing .. middlesbrough fans so so so much louder last season
They are awful fans, lots of them home and away but oh so very quiet
 

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There’s a fire engine by the pitch at Hellas Verona that goes round putting them out when they get chucked down to the track when they’re almost finished. 🤣🤣🤣
Brigate Gialloblu - bad asses
 

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The issue is the authorities don't understand the realities of football games and there is this absolutism around elements of support means people suffer.

They won't accept safe standing so not providing an area for those fans mean that disabled or injured fans suffer.
They won't accept that pyro is an element of support for one people so not providing a part of the ground for them means they are set off around people that can't deal with it.

There is a family zone for people that don't want to be around swearing. There is a sensory zone for autistic fans and their families.

Stick in a standing, singing pyro zone and then people who don't want to be part of it can stay out of the way.
There’s no such thing as safe pyro. The temperatures they burn at are ludicrous. Whilst I agree to some extent with the standing part of your argument, pyrotechnics have no place in a densely populated, safe football environment. That’s before you talk about putting them in the hands of tribal, drunk and coked up idiots.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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There’s a fire engine by the pitch at Hellas Verona that goes round putting them out when they get chucked down to the track when they’re almost finished. 🤣🤣🤣
Do you go to the games? Sassuolo have been my adopted Italian club for the past two seasons, I’d like to go over for a game but sorting tickets looks difficult
 

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Their fans would have you believe that it’s only Pompey or us who’d throw things down, not even their “fierce mag rivals” would do such a thing.

I’d agree with a stern lifetime ban tbh. But I won’t take for one second that’s is only us or Pompey. In fact I’d bet at least someone from half of their visitors this season will do it.
 

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There’s no such thing as safe pyro. The temperatures they burn at are ludicrous. Whilst I agree to some extent with the standing part of your argument, pyrotechnics have no place in a densely populated, safe football environment. That’s before you talk about putting them in the hands of tribal, drunk and coked up idiots.
I been to plenty of games all over the continent where they have used dozens of them in tandem and never seen a problem.
 

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There’s no such thing as safe pyro. The temperatures they burn at are ludicrous. Whilst I agree to some extent with the standing part of your argument, pyrotechnics have no place in a densely populated, safe football environment. That’s before you talk about putting them in the hands of tribal, drunk and coked up idiots.
Disagree with some of your point.

I have been to several MLS games ( where pyro’s are allowed) and they add to / help create a brilliant atmosphere

The pyro‘s are not the issue.

The issue is the twats who throw them at / into other sections of supporters.
 

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Again, it's because they are not used within agreed safe parameters.

Keep them banned and they keep being used by idiots and then thrown onto people where they can cause harm. The person is throwing them because they can't hold on to them without being kicked out.

They are bade to be safely held, like a sparkler (which also burns at 2,000 degrees), and when that happens they burn out fine and could be disposed of safely as happens elsewhere.

Prohibition will make the issue worse.
 

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Again, it's because they are not used within agreed safe parameters.

Keep them banned and they keep being used by idiots and then thrown onto people where they can cause harm. The person is throwing them because they can't hold on to them without being kicked out.

They are bade to be safely held, like a sparkler (which also burns at 2,000 degrees), and when that happens they burn out fine and could be disposed of safely as happens elsewhere.

Prohibition will make the issue worse.
I do see the logic in your argument, and that of KCM’s also. Particularly your point of, “it’s going to happen anyway- may as well not drive it further underground”. I’m not saying your wrong. I just disagree. Although I’ve seen from most discussions on SBT, that any disagreements are usually followed by various personal insults! :)

I’ve had a job related safety input about these in crowds, so maybe I’m adversely swayed by that. When I had my input we were given football examples of a death in South America and hospitalisations in Europe. This was before they became “a thing” in UK football. Admittedly, quite dated now.

It’s mainly the densely populated crowd thing that throws me. If done in a high dispersal area (almost all grounds will have at least part of their stadium) and sparsely populated part of the crowd with very basic safety gear, then it’d be fine.
I’ll stop now. I’m taking all the “fun” out of it now and even boring myself!
 
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How strange that i saw the smoke bomb land in our goal and yet on their forum some nob says he saw it hit a women in the crowd. Bunch of lying low life.
Sunderland fan here.

The flare landed about 15 rows in front of me, I don't know if it hit anyone, was hard to tell as quite a few people were getting agitated around where it landed. A Sunderland fan held the flare above his head for about a minute then threw it onto the pitch. Tbf up there you can't see the anything but the first few rows below so it's understandable that you seen the flare on the pitch and thought it went straight there.

Seen couple little of bits of crap come down but didn't see a glass bottle come down as some have said.

Shame for the decent fans that a couple of scumbags will cause further reductions in future games again.
 

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My wife was hit by a blue flare at Wembley fortunately she was wearing a cap - this was burnt in several places - we were no where near the pitch edge - could have injured her permanently - no place in a football crowd for flares from experience- case closed
 

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Anyone throwing anything from a stand down on to ordinary people below need to look at themselves. Utter brainless morons. Can’t they see that sooner or later some innocent City fan will pay a big price one day in revenge action from another lunatic from another club.
Totally agree. At the MK FA Cup match a few years ago there was a lot of stuff being thrown by our fans in the top tier but onto our fans below so its not just the opposition we should worry about. Its just brainless.
 

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Again, it's because they are not used within agreed safe parameters.

Keep them banned and they keep being used by idiots and then thrown onto people where they can cause harm. The person is throwing them because they can't hold on to them without being kicked out.

They are bade to be safely held, like a sparkler (which also burns at 2,000 degrees), and when that happens they burn out fine and could be disposed of safely as happens elsewhere.

Prohibition will make the issue worse.
Should bring back smoking in the stands as well, it’s not as if forcing others to inhale anything is an issue.
 

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The issue is the authorities don't understand the realities of football games and there is this absolutism around elements of support means people suffer.

They won't accept safe standing so not providing an area for those fans mean that disabled or injured fans suffer.
They won't accept that pyro is an element of support for one people so not providing a part of the ground for them means they are set off around people that can't deal with it.

There is a family zone for people that don't want to be around swearing. There is a sensory zone for autistic fans and their families.

Stick in a standing, singing pyro zone and then people who don't want to be part of it can stay out of the way.
Since when has being able to let a pyro off been a required part of supporting a football team?

Standing, I get, singing, even with rude words, fair enough, but what do flares add to the game that means they need to become a protected item?

It's bollocks I'm afraid, if we can't generate an atmosphere without flares then we're not much as fans.
 

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Since when has being able to let a pyro off been a required part of supporting a football team?

Standing, I get, singing, even with rude words, fair enough, but what do flares add to the game that means they need to become a protected item?

It's bollocks I'm afraid, if we can't generate an atmosphere without flares then we're not much as fans.
Nobody said it's required. It's very much a part of continental fan culture and like many things (tifos) has been imported.

It's here now and it isn't going to go away, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend like your admonishment will make it go away or you can work out how we can make it so it's done safely and those that would find it harmful are not exposed to it.
 

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Im actually I'm agreement with their fans about stuff being thrown etc .

However this is an example of their fans making things up , this simply didn't happen did it , why the obsessive need to exaggerate about our fans, they do thsi nonsense all the time .. stick to facts and people will have sympathy with you

I'm assuming they are talking about the cone celebration Screenshot_20220801-142228_Chrome.jpg
 

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Nobody said it's required. It's very much a part of continental fan culture and like many things (tifos) has been imported.

It's here now and it isn't going to go away, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend like your admonishment will make it go away or you can work out how we can make it so it's done safely and those that would find it harmful are not exposed to it.
They can't be used safely, that's the point. The smoke is either unpleasant and dangerous to breathe, or the marine flares are an actual fire hazard (they're designed to burn at very high temperatures).

The way to make it go away is the same as anything else unacceptable or dangerous, educate, enforce, and if necessary prosecute.

Just saying we've got to accept it because it's here makes no sense; plenty of other things that used to be broadly tolerated in the grounds aren't now (e.g. racism, drinking in the stands, fighting, and even bottle tops!), why should flares be any different?
 

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Sunderland AFC is extremely disappointed by the conduct of a small minority of visiting supporters during the Club’s fixture against Coventry City.

Several incidents have been reported by fans of both Clubs following Sunday’s match, with objects including pyrotechnics, bottles and coins allegedly thrown towards home supporters located in the North Stand.

Investigations by Northumbria Police and West Midlands Police are ongoing to identify the persons responsible and SAFC is currently in dialogue with supporters’ groups to ensure appropriate preventative measures are put in place.

The Club sincerely apologises to any supporters – home or away – impacted by this completely unacceptable behaviour and assures them that it will not be tolerated at the Stadium of Light.

 

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Im actually I'm agreement with their fans about stuff being thrown etc .

However this is an example of their fans making things up , this simply didn't happen did it , why the obsessive need to exaggerate about our fans, they do thsi nonsense all the time .. stick to facts and people will have sympathy with you

I'm assuming they are talking about the cone celebration View attachment 25583
Is he thinking of the League 1 game here when Maddison scored the free kick? I remember some invading the pitch but not goalkeeper being attacked
 

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Anyone who threw a flare, or a bottle or a coin or anything into a populated area is an idiot and if they did so knowingly they’re a dickhead. As a Cov fan I’d like to apologise to any Sunderland fan who was hit, or nearly hit, or just rightfully angry about this occurrence.

On the other hand I have seen accusations of other objects being thrown without verification that seem hard to believe. I was at the 5-4 game three years ago and thought it was odd in this day and age that there wasn’t a single piece of photographic evidence of the “hoyed” objects (include a supposed bag of excrement) thrown down onto the “Bairns and women” on that occasion.

It seems like a flare was thrown. This was stupid and dangerous. Let’s leave it there for now.
 

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Sunderland AFC is extremely disappointed by the conduct of a small minority of visiting supporters during the Club’s fixture against Coventry City.

Several incidents have been reported by fans of both Clubs following Sunday’s match, with objects including pyrotechnics, bottles and coins allegedly thrown towards home supporters located in the North Stand.

Investigations by Northumbria Police and West Midlands Police are ongoing to identify the persons responsible and SAFC is currently in dialogue with supporters’ groups to ensure appropriate preventative measures are put in place.

The Club sincerely apologises to any supporters – home or away – impacted by this completely unacceptable behaviour and assures them that it will not be tolerated at the Stadium of Light.


God it’s fucking pathetic and embarassing isn’t it.

Low life chavs getting high on coke and throwing stuff at random fans…wow really hard bravo
 

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They'll be banned like a large number were after the game a few years back.

Sunderland will show up in Coventry up for it like they did last time but the police will suss it out.
 

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They can't be used safely, that's the point. The smoke is either unpleasant and dangerous to breathe, or the marine flares are an actual fire hazard (they're designed to burn at very high temperatures).

The way to make it go away is the same as anything else unacceptable or dangerous, educate, enforce, and if necessary prosecute.

Just saying we've got to accept it because it's here makes no sense; plenty of other things that used to be broadly tolerated in the grounds aren't now (e.g. racism, drinking in the stands, fighting, and even bottle tops!), why should flares be any different?
They just happened to have been used safely on the continent for decades but it's impossible here?
 

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Is he thinking of the League 1 game here when Maddison scored the free kick? I remember some invading the pitch but not goalkeeper being attacked
We also had quite a few in the home end but there was no trouble inside the ground.
 

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They'll be banned like a large number were after the game a few years back.

Sunderland will show up in Coventry up for it like they did last time but the police will suss it out.
Its not just coventry fans though. Reading away flares were being thrown by both fans and also stoke last game. Its quite pathetic.