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Match Thread vs Cardiff (A) 19/09/23 (12 Viewers)

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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,786
jordan210 said:
But they wont drive forward or take players on. What Is what palmer also should be doing.
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It's not in either of their games so quite strange to criticise them for it

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Martin180

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,787
fernandopartridge said:
It's not in either of their games so quite strange to criticise them for it

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Totally agree , they are both more than adequate in their roles but the question is can we or do we need to play both in the same side?
Seems very Southgate like
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,788
fernandopartridge said:
It's not in either of their games so quite strange to criticise them for it

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One of them needs to step up. No point both playing deep and not even trying to go forward. Sheaf is also a DMC and tries to taker players on.

Issue might not be the players more the formation and managerial. As all we seam to have is defensive midfielders
 

BlueSkiesForever

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,789
Btw slight deviation from the Cardiff thread but I’ve only just realised how hard the next few months are going to be. The Huddersfield and QPR games are absolutely crucial if we don’t want to end up next to Boro.

From October onwards we face:

Blackburn (H)
Norwich (H)
Bristol City (A)
Rotherham (A)
West Brom (H)
Preston (A)
Stoke (H)
Millwall (A)
Plymouth (H)
Ipswich (A)
Birmingham (H)
Southampton (H)
Leeds (A)
Sunderland (A)

Realistically with the way we’re playing how many points do you expect we’ll get out of that lot? Maybe 12-15?? Can I just start wetting the bed now in advance?
 
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Matt smith

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,790
Eccles will probably play rwb next game

Kelly Allen and Ayari

simms and godden up top
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,791
Did robins ever say why Ayari was benched ?
 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,792
There seems to be an emerging consensus on here that we have a good choice of decent centre backs, lack creativity in midfield and - Godden apart - have strikers who can't score.

The logical conclusion is that we shouldn't be conceding too many but should struggle to score, yet the statistics say otherwise. We have only scored one fewer than Preston who are top and two fewer than Leicester, who most people think will be top at the end of the season. On the other hand about three-quarters of the division have conceded fewer than us.

I don't disagree with the emerging consensus to which I have referred but it's odd how things are going at the moment. I worry what will happen if (a) the defence doesn't tighten up and (b) Simms and Wright don't step up when - as will inevitably happen - Godden hits a lean patch.

Still, it's early days so fingers crossed that things will improve.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,793
StrettoBoy said:
There seems to be an emerging consensus on here that we have a good choice of decent centre backs, lack creativity in midfield and - Godden apart - have strikers who can't score.

The logical conclusion is that we shouldn't be conceding too many but should struggle to score, yet the statistics say otherwise. We have only scored one fewer than Preston who are top and two fewer than Leicester, who most people think will be top at the end of the season. On the other hand about three-quarters of the division have conceded fewer than us.

I don't disagree with the emerging consensus to which I have referred but it's odd how things are going at the moment. I worry what will happen if (a) the defence doesn't tighten up and (b) Simms and Wright don't step up when - as will inevitably happen - Godden hits a lean patch.

Still, it's early days so fingers crossed that things will improve.
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We built our strong form last season on a mean defence. McNally and Doyle ended the season stronger than their replacements have started it is one factor, but giving away so much cheap possession also invites more pressure on the defence.
 
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Offhegoes

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,794
With Sheaf out until November, we have to put Ayari or Palmer into central midfield for some creativity and then if we're sticking with the 2 up front, bring in Allen / O'Hare / Sakamoto to the AM position.
Personaly I would go back to the box, and play Eccles and Palmer as CMs and Allen & Ayari further forward.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,795
clint van damme said:
We're an injury to Kelly or Eccles away from having no-one to play there!,
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According to @Martin180 we needed no more players and had a great squad so no worries
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,796
Offhegoes said:
With Sheaf out until November, we have to put Ayari or Palmer into central midfield for some creativity and then if we're sticking with the 2 up front, bring in Allen / O'Hare / Sakamoto to the AM position.
Personaly I would go back to the box, and play Eccles and Palmer as CMs and Allen & Ayari further forward.
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Palmer really?
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,797
Oh your the guy who said he’s a fantastic player
 

Matt smith

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,798
Offhegoes said:
Would like to see Robins go for this team against Hudderfield, with the presumption MVE is out.

Wilson
Eccles Labs Kitching Binks Da Silva
Kelly
Allen Ayari Sakamoto
Simms

I think Fadz may need a rest. Wright, Godden, Palmer & O'Hare gives us a strong bench.
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That’s such a bottom end of the division team
 
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Martin180

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,799
Grendel said:
According to @Martin180 we needed no more players and had a great squad so no worries
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Where have I said that?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,800
Matt smith said:
That’s such a bottom end of the division team
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It should be a mid table team.
 
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johnwillomagic

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,801
Well that was pretty dreadful all in all last night and I think something needs to change,

From the back we were way to slow and ponderous in possession - if we play Wright we need to be a little bit more direct and the wing backs certainly need to push higher up the pitch and be far more brave going forward. Wilson wasn't great although tbh his protection for all three goals was shocking I did feel he started and stopped on third goal he was on a hiding to nothing there but may as well have continued pushing out by stopping his feet weren't planted and he was never gonna save anything in that position.

I actually thought Kelly and Eccles were OK but we cannot play both of them together - too similar if I'm being honest would play Kelly at present and drop Eccles just to take him out the firing line - I think Ayari & Allen for his energy have to come in. Palmer offered nothing on this game and needs to be benched for that performance at present he looks an impact sub at best or someone we bring on if winning and coasting as in that situation he would probably shine and flatter to deceive. Sakamoto showed promise going forward but weak defensivley has to play wide midfield with full back behind him or attacking midfield away from defence.

In attack people are knocking him but another two goals from Godden and he really looks our only goal threat currently.
Wright was very disappointing and sadly backed up his "donkey" tag last night. Sims didn't have long enough to make an impact but needs to start to be given a chance.

For Monday I would shake things up quite a bit and also ditch the wingbacks - I'd quite like to play a 4-3-2-1 formation.
I would put Sims up front as target man and play Godden and one other to play off him.

Collins GK
Bidwell LB
Thomas CB
Kitching CB
Milan RB
Kelly DCM
Ayaru CM
Allen CM
Godden ACM
Sakamoto ACM
Sims ST

Robins will probably name a side nothing like this but there we go.

Massive game on Monday need a performance and a win most importantly to get us back on track.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,802
I think one of the other disturbing things is the lack of a second right back.

5m on Kitching when we didn’t need another CB. We needed a CM and a right back
 
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TomRad85

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,803
Please note i'm not saying sack Robins, but it would be really interesting to live in a world where you could see what another manager would do with this squad for a few games. Its lacking in places for sure but i can't think its as bad as it currently seems, so what could be done differently...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,804
TomRad85 said:
Please note i'm not saying sack Robins, but it would be really interesting to live in a world where you could see what another manager would do with this squad for a few games. Its lacking in places for sure but i can't think its as bad as it currently seems, so what could be done differently...
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Steve Cooper turned around that Forest side almost immediately which basically proved Hughton to be the problem. The parallels do make me wonder
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,805
BlueSkiesForever said:
Btw slight deviation from the Cardiff thread but I’ve only just realised how hard the next few months are going to be. The Huddersfield and QPR games are absolutely crucial if we don’t want to end up next to Boro.

From October onwards we face:

Blackburn (H)
Norwich (H)
Bristol City (A)
Rotherham (A)
West Brom (H)
Preston (A)
Stoke (H)
Millwall (A)
Plymouth (H)
Ipswich (A)
Birmingham (H)
Southampton (H)
Leeds (A)
Sunderland (A)

Realistically with the way we’re playing how many points do you expect we’ll get out of that lot? Maybe 12-15?? Can I just start wetting the bed now in advance?
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Our December is so grim.
 
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Martin180

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,806
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I think one of the other disturbing things is the lack of a second right back.

5m on Kitching when we didn’t need another CB. We needed a CM and a right back
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Latibeaudaire played RB a lot for Swansea last season
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,807
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Our December is so grim.
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The league is genuinely much harder this season. I don’t think we have a squad of relegation candidates but as QPR showed, if they’re badly managed that doesn’t matter.
 

TomRad85

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,808
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Steve Cooper turned around that Forest side almost immediately which basically proved Hughton to be the problem. The parallels do make me wonder
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Well Robins certainly has a lot more credit in the bank. No idea what kind of owner Doug will be regarding how ruthless he is with managers... if we're still this bad by xmas we might find out.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,809
TomRad85 said:
Well Robins certainly has a lot more credit in the bank. No idea what kind of owner Doug will be regarding how ruthless he is with managers... if we're still this bad by xmas we might find out.
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Well he will not want us near the bottom as we can’t get near relegation or that’s a disaster
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,810
TomRad85 said:
Well Robins certainly has a lot more credit in the bank. No idea what kind of owner Doug will be regarding how ruthless he is with managers... if we're still this bad by xmas we might find out.
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If we end up in a straight relegation battle with this level of expenditure it would take a very strong minded chairman not to pull the trigger. Though the 4 year contract does tilt it in his favour if it came to that.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,811
BlueSkiesForever said:
Btw slight deviation from the Cardiff thread but I’ve only just realised how hard the next few months are going to be. The Huddersfield and QPR games are absolutely crucial if we don’t want to end up next to Boro.

From October onwards we face:

Blackburn (H)
Norwich (H)
Bristol City (A)
Rotherham (A)
West Brom (H)
Preston (A)
Stoke (H)
Millwall (A)
Plymouth (H)
Ipswich (A)
Birmingham (H)
Southampton (H)
Leeds (A)
Sunderland (A)

Realistically with the way we’re playing how many points do you expect we’ll get out of that lot? Maybe 12-15?? Can I just start wetting the bed now in advance?
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On paper a relatively decent run tbh
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,812
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If we end up in a straight relegation battle with this level of expenditure it would take a very strong minded chairman not to pull the trigger. Though the 4 year contract does tilt it in his favour if it came to that.
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There could be pressley like clauses in it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,813
Grendel said:
There could be pressley like clauses in it
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Maybe. If we find ourselves hovering above or in the drop zone by Christmas I think only financial compensation keeps him in the job. It’s a good set of players on paper with money in the bank still to spend in January and so we’d get decent applicants.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,814
Matt smith said:
Eccles will probably play rwb next game

Kelly Allen and Ayari

simms and godden up top
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All day long this team.

We need to get back to basics.

We dont want to be a team just plays fir possession like Swansea with no weapons offensively.

Losing our identity.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,815
Guys we've lost 2 matches
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,816
Evo1883 said:
Guys we've lost 2 matches
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And won 1
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,817
Grendel said:
According to @Martin180 we needed no more players and had a great squad so no worries
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I mean to be fair, two days before the end of the transfer window, the majority were saying it was a great window. We all seemed excited by the players we brought in. Of the 11 who left, a number were dross who wouldn't get into the first team.

Losing Gus and seemingly not having someone lined up, has really kicked us in the nuts. And with Sheaf getting injured, that's a double kick. On paper, I still think we've got a decent squad, bar central midfield now where the Gus hole is getting bigger by the week.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,818
Evo1883 said:
Guys we've lost 2 matches
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Yes but last night was coming..was so bad. You was there like us.

It culminated in the worst atmosphere home and away fans I have seen in the championship.
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,819
Grendel said:
And won 1
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True , but as we know from years gone by , it's far too early to suggest anything
 

Evo1883

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  • Sep 20, 2023
  • #1,820
Londonccfcfan said:
Yes but last night was coming..was so bad. You was there like us.

It culminated in the worst atmosphere home and away fans I have seen in the championship.
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Don't understand the last bit ?
 
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