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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Yesterday at 9:21 PM
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Brylowes said:
I honestly don’t believe that the players personal monetary agreement would have any bearing on fee negotiations between the buying & selling clubs, it’s just more BS being splurged by parties that have no more than a tentative involvement in any potential agreement.
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Not sure I'd agree with that. Transfer fee won't be the only consideration from the Arsenal camp they'll be looking at the financial package as a whole.

I'm not saying it's true, however if Gyokeres did willingly sacrifice 2m euros of his wages pa then that would've been appealing IMO.

Don't forget transfer fees can be amortised, wages are treated as an expense in the period they are earned and paid.
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 10:45 PM
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SkyBlueMatt said:
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That's one of the best things I've ever heard. Never heard "f*cking Tw*t!" said with as much feeling.
 
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Brylowes

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  • Yesterday at 10:49 PM
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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Not sure I'd agree with that. Transfer fee won't be the only consideration from the Arsenal camp they'll be looking at the financial package as a whole.

I'm not saying it's true, however if Gyokeres did willingly sacrifice 2m euros of his wages pa then that would've been appealing IMO.

Don't forget transfer fees can be amortised, wages are treated as an expense in the period they are earned and paid.
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Well of course Arsenal (any buying club) will be looking at every financial aspect of the proposed transfer & obviously looking to make any possible savings they can, but negotiations with Gyokeres & his agents concerning personal terms & negotiations with Sporting concerning fee & conditions would be completely separate.

Do I think Arsenal would enter negotiations with Gyokeres and say: We really want you here but Sporting just want to much money & Gyokeres says: ok I’ll accept £2m p/y less than you have already offered me to sweeten the deal for you no chance.
 
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skyblue025

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  • Today at 1:49 AM
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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It's not just €2m. It's €2m per year for the duration of his contract. He'll be signing a 5 year deal most likely so that's around £8.5m in total.
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And that's why it sounds like bullshit. Who is giving up £8.5 million?
 

Lamps

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  • Today at 7:54 AM
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skyblue025 said:
And that's why it sounds like bullshit. Who is giving up £8.5 million?
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What wage are they offering him? It's silly money in the Prem. If they're offering 100k a week it's £26m over a 5 year contract. Yes the £8.5m is a lot but it would still leave him with a few quid and give him a chance of winning major trophies. Do they also get bonuses for winning things?

I'm not saying it's true. But we know he plans his moves and puts pressure on to get what he wants. Look at when he was saying we were asking too much for him.
 

larry_david

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  • Today at 8:00 AM
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Scousers love saying lad don't they, lad
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 8:36 AM
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Brylowes said:
Well of course Arsenal (any buying club) will be looking at every financial aspect of the proposed transfer & obviously looking to make any possible savings they can, but negotiations with Gyokeres & his agents concerning personal terms & negotiations with Sporting concerning fee & conditions would be completely separate.

Do I think Arsenal would enter negotiations with Gyokeres and say: We really want you here but Sporting just want to much money & Gyokeres says: ok I’ll accept £2m p/y less than you have already offered me to sweeten the deal for you no chance.
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Negotiations between Sporting / Arsenal and Gyokeres / Arsenal are indeed separate, but as mentioned the financial package from Arsenal's perspective will still be assessed as a whole - so transfer fee and add-ons + cost of wages over the course of his contract.

Gyokeres' camp will know full well what Sporting are willing to sell for and what Arsenal are willing to pay, so there would in theory be ways and means of mediating a deal from Gyokeres' camp to make the financial package work for all parties.

However, whether it's accurate, who knows. It's clear how desperate he is to join Arsenal though, so I wouldn't rule it out entirely even if it does sound far fetched as this whole saga has been pretty bizarre.
 

edgy

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  • Today at 8:40 AM
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Brylowes said:
Well of course Arsenal (any buying club) will be looking at every financial aspect of the proposed transfer & obviously looking to make any possible savings they can, but negotiations with Gyokeres & his agents concerning personal terms & negotiations with Sporting concerning fee & conditions would be completely separate.

Do I think Arsenal would enter negotiations with Gyokeres and say: We really want you here but Sporting just want to much money & Gyokeres says: ok I’ll accept £2m p/y less than you have already offered me to sweeten the deal for you no chance.
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It wouldn't be about costing Arsenal £2m a year less. That £2m a year sacrifice, or £10m over his contract could be moved into Arsenals transfer kitty. So maybe it covers the 10m Euro add ons that Sporting want or just gets added onto what Arsenal can offer initially.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Today at 8:47 AM
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SkyB

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  • Today at 8:52 AM
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Did seem like Arsenal were flooding the media with news and leaks about Vik and Madueke coincidentally at the same time they were getting questioned about the Partey situation
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Today at 9:01 AM
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My source tells me the this deal could be done as early as late August.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Today at 9:11 AM
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larry_david said:
Scousers love saying lad don't they, lad
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As being married to one...I can confirm this...especially when Ive fooked up on something. .but in general...most Scousers just love the sound of their own voices.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Today at 9:29 AM
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So if it's 70m + 10m Euros, our 10% only comes from the profit of the 70m, right? The 10m is extras further down the line?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 9:41 AM
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Skyblueweeman said:
So if it's 70m + 10m Euros, our 10% only comes from the profit of the 70m, right? The 10m is extras further down the line?
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Yep so £5m
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Today at 9:45 AM
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Cov4Ever said:
Honestly surprised though he's not gone to Juve or somewhere else in Europe.

Want him to succeed in the prem but think he may struggle a bit in an arsenal side which do struggle with strikers over recent years.
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I think this is why he’ll be a success.

Arsenal haven’t had a consistently decent striker for years. He only has to be half decent and he’ll be loved by fans. He’s already half way there, as he’s actually a proper striker and one who can lead the line.

He’s also pretty unique in his style and I think he’ll stand out massively.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 9:47 AM
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Great_Expectations said:
I think this is why he’ll be a success.

Arsenal haven’t had a consistently decent striker for years. He only has to be half decent and he’ll be loved by fans. He’s already half way there, as he’s actually a proper striker and one who can lead the line.

He’s also pretty unique in his style and I think he’ll stand out massively.
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He’ll be great for arsenal
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Today at 9:54 AM
  • #1,977
Skyblueweeman said:
So if it's 70m + 10m Euros, our 10% only comes from the profit of the 70m, right? The 10m is extras further down the line?
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I believe we'll get 10% of the 10% if/when Arsenal pay it.

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SonofErnie

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  • Today at 10:08 AM
  • #1,978
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep so £5m
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Deduct 500k for Brighton?
 
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steve cooper

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  • Today at 10:16 AM
  • #1,979
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It's not just €2m. It's €2m per year for the duration of his contract. He'll be signing a 5 year deal most likely so that's around £8.5m in total.
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Even if true it will cost him less than 1M per year when you take off the tax & NI
 

Brylowes

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  • Today at 10:17 AM
  • #1,980
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Negotiations between Sporting / Arsenal and Gyokeres / Arsenal are indeed separate, but as mentioned the financial package from Arsenal's perspective will still be assessed as a whole - so transfer fee and add-ons + cost of wages over the course of his contract.
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Yes of course Arsenal would look at the financial impact of the transfer in its entirety, fee, add-on, wages etc.

But if Gyokeres has agreed to give up £2m p/y over the term of his contract, then that would suggest that personal terms have already been agreed, how else could he agree to forfeit part of his wages without knowing the exact amount he would be earning, why would Arsenal offer him terms without knowing the fee & whether or not they can afford those terms in the first place.

I would have thought the first thing to be agreed would be the fee between the buying & selling clubs, then the negotiations between the buying club & the players representatives would begin with the buying club now in a position to know what they can offer the player in personal terms.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Today at 10:22 AM
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Great_Expectations said:
I think this is why he’ll be a success.

Arsenal haven’t had a consistently decent striker for years. He only has to be half decent and he’ll be loved by fans. He’s already half way there, as he’s actually a proper striker and one who can lead the line.

He’s also pretty unique in his style and I think he’ll stand out massively.
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They’re going to love him and he’ll score 20 goals no worries
 
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David O'Day

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  • Today at 10:25 AM
  • #1,982
Fair play to Sporting Club for standing firm on the fee (only if they actually sell him and we get our cash).

He'll be a good striker for Arsenal, not as good as their first choice Sesko but RB were not going to accept less that 100m for him.
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 10:27 AM
  • #1,983
Just want the fucking money so we can crack on with our transfer window now, as its obviously going to have some effect on who we are able to sign. Such a boring, drawn out transfer saga.
 
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Martw

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  • Today at 10:31 AM
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Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep so £5m
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For us, the higher the figure the better but for the deal to happen then the higher the figure thr more messy it becomes to get settled; Arsenal will quite rightly have a walk away point and if the Lisbon President keeps up this stance then Arsenal might simply run out of patience .
 

David O'Day

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  • Today at 10:32 AM
  • #1,985
Martw said:
For us, the higher the figure the better but for the deal to happen then the higher the figure thr more messy it becomes to get settled; Arsenal will quite rightly have a walk away point and if the Lisbon President keeps up this stance then Arsenal might simply run out of patience .
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Where to though? Sesko was the first choice but they have already moved on from him due to the 100m fee and Isak will cost even more, so what other top class striker would be available?
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Today at 10:33 AM
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I don’t think he’s a perfect fit at Arsenal. Was at his best when he could pick up the ball on the half way line and isolate defenders, he wont get that at Arsenal. That being said I think he’s a good enough player to be a success there.
 
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Today at 10:40 AM
  • #1,987
Was hoping he'd go to Arsenal. Can't stand them but it would be a great fit for him.
Odegard threading those little killer passes through to Gyokeres is something I'll be looking forward to watching.
He'll be a massive success.
 
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Bertola

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  • Today at 10:45 AM
  • #1,988
If Arsenal sign Vik, and Eze then i can see them linking up really well together. Eze loves to play the quick ball through, Mateta has been a beneficiary of this at Palace, and whilst i like Mateta, Vik is a step up from him.

Can also envision a lot of Odegaard and Saka link ups, with Saka then crossing into Vik for a tap in at the back post (similar to how Sterling scored a lot of goals for Man City)
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 10:53 AM
  • #1,989
SleepyGinger said:
I don’t think he’s a perfect fit at Arsenal. Was at his best when he could pick up the ball on the half way line and isolate defenders, he wont get that at Arsenal. That being said I think he’s a good enough player to be a success there.
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Playing for Cov he was at his best there because that's what we *needed* him to do, in the absence of the type of other creative players that Arsenal have got (and to be fair, we create more chances ourselves now)
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 11:01 AM
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Brylowes said:
Yes of course Arsenal would look at the financial impact of the transfer in its entirety, fee, add-on, wages etc.

But if Gyokeres has agreed to give up £2m p/y over the term of his contract, then that would suggest that personal terms have already been agreed, how else could he agree to forfeit part of his wages without knowing the exact amount he would be earning, why would Arsenal offer him terms without knowing the fee & whether or not they can afford those terms in the first place.

I would have thought the first thing to be agreed would be the fee between the buying & selling clubs, then the negotiations between the buying club & the players representatives would begin with the buying club now in a position to know what they can offer the player in personal terms.
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Not necessarily. Contracts can often be agreed with the representatives of the player first, then the buying club will place a bid.
 
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HJones23

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  • Today at 11:11 AM
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Bertola said:
If Arsenal sign Vik, and Eze then i can see them linking up really well together. Eze loves to play the quick ball through, Mateta has been a beneficiary of this at Palace, and whilst i like Mateta, Vik is a step up from him.

Can also envision a lot of Odegaard and Saka link ups, with Saka then crossing into Vik for a tap in at the back post (similar to how Sterling scored a lot of goals for Man City)
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If they get Madueke in as well they have got to be in with a shout for the most complete squad in the league - no excuses for Arteta next season
 
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SleepyGinger

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  • Today at 11:33 AM
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fernandopartridge said:
Playing for Cov he was at his best there because that's what we *needed* him to do, in the absence of the type of other creative players that Arsenal have got (and to be fair, we create more chances ourselves now)
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True, either way I think he’ll be a success. In the games against city and arsenal in the champions league he caused a world of problems.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 11:45 AM
  • #1,993
HJones23 said:
If they get Madueke in as well they have got to be in with a shout for the most complete squad in the league - no excuses for Arteta next season
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I think Madueke would be a poor signing. rodrygo would suit them more
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Today at 12:04 PM
  • #1,994
SleepyGinger said:
I don’t think he’s a perfect fit at Arsenal. Was at his best when he could pick up the ball on the half way line and isolate defenders, he wont get that at Arsenal. That being said I think he’s a good enough player to be a success there.
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He'll get a lot of that away from home, Arsenal are already great exponents of the counter attack.
 
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Briles

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  • Today at 12:10 PM
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Yorkshire SB said:
They’re going to love him and he’ll score 20 goals no worries
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Hes going straight in my Fantasy team that's for sure
 
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