SkyBlueDom26
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We will always remember and honour those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom.
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And some will seek to take advantage. If they don’t want to accept and live in and by our culture, fuck off.We will always remember and honour those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom.
Yep I did wonder what the arrests were related toAnd some will seek to take advantage. If they don’t want to accept and live in and by our culture, fuck off.
Don’t plan to attack a significant celebration and memorial.
Eight men including seven Iranians arrested in two England anti-terrorism operations
Counter-terrorism police disrupt suspected plot amid concern over rise in Tehran-backed hostile activitywww.theguardian.com
I think I have said elsewhere that this biting the hand that feeds you (to use the vernacular and despite relatively small numbers involved - but that number can certainly cause some disproportionate death and injury. Can you imagine the headlines and pixelated pictures and videos of victims?Yep I did wonder what the arrests were related to
That’s gratitude for you eh?
I always feel that those late actions in wars were deplorable. It may not have been quite as obvious that it was the closing days of WW2 as it had been for WW1. It woukd be interesting to know what strategic purpose capturing Dunkirk would have achieved, beyond it being for appearance sakes that is.I doubt they were intending it become a base for small boats to bring thousands over from the UK in small boats, although the reverse process seems to be operating effectively, albeit unopposed from land, sea or air.Perhaps just a few weeks before VE Day my great great uncle was killed as part of one of many failed attempts to capture Dunkirk which was one of the German holdouts bypassed as the Allies advanced. Seemingly random inexperienced units were sent against a battle hardened garrison resulting in needless deaths in the closing days of the war.
Uhhh yeah actually I do disagreeHard to disagree
Hard to disagree
I think I have said elsewhere that this biting the hand that feeds you (to use the vernacular and despite relatively small numbers involved - but that number can certainly cause some disproportionate death and injury. Can you imagine the headlines and pixelated pictures and videos of victims?
It isn’t all that surprising that there are then the right wing reactions that are so condemned on here, for example. And these security operations can’t be kept secret to avoid winding people up.
Hard to disagree
Wouldn’t be a problem if they weren’t here. I also wondered if there could have been some Russian influence at play. Whatever the motivation, if there were to be an anti Iranian response it shouldn’t necessarily come as a surprise to anyone but the lefties.Do we know how much it’s normal people radicalising once here vs Iran sending people specifically? Iran is very tight on ex pats having spoken to some. This seems more like traditional geopolitics than the usual lone wolf self radicalising dickhead we normally see.
Allowing the Holocaust to be completed is preferable how, exactly?
Hard to disagree
Allowing the Holocaust to be completed is preferable how, exactly?
Don’t be fucking stupid. Surely even you can’t think the cenotaph surrounded by plastic fencing is a good look. I would prefer a number of SAS located strategically to provide protection.Fuck off. Jesus won’t be long before we’ve got Hitler did nothing wrong posts from the right. Outright wishing we lost WW2 is it?
Is this now an argument that we shouldn’t have opposed Hitler and that we should have kept the empire going?Don’t be fucking stupid. Surely even you can’t think the cenotaph surrounded by plastic fencing is a good look. I would prefer a number of SAS located strategically to provide protection.
The war was won but the battle was lost. Created the conditions for multiple countries to pursue and achieve independence despite not having the wherewithal to support that status: including the UK in effect.
Add the development of the USSR and its increasing post war influence.
There are bad apples here, some arrived as such and some may have been radicalised. Does radicalisation lead to grooming gangs? Or is that just behaviour of bad apples who have no respect for host culture and laws? If groups of white men did the same in, say Saudi Arabia, there would be multiple appeals being run in UK media in support of clemency and commuting of their death sentences. So many people seem to not be prepared to respect our laws and customs. If they can’t, they should either not come here in the first place or be fucked off elsewhere. May be some self policing would help.
There are bad apples here, some arrived as such and some may have been radicalised. Does radicalisation lead to grooming gangs? Or is that just behaviour of bad apples who have no respect for host culture and laws? If groups of white men did the same in, say Saudi Arabia, there would be multiple appeals being run in UK media in support of clemency and commuting of their death sentences. So many people seem to not be prepared to respect our laws and customs. If they can’t, they should either not come here in the first place or be fucked off elsewhere. May be some self policing would help.
Don’t be fucking stupid. Surely even you can’t think the cenotaph surrounded by plastic fencing is a good look. I would prefer a number of SAS located strategically to provide protection.
The war was won but the battle was lost. Created the conditions for multiple countries to pursue and achieve independence despite not having the wherewithal to support that status: including the UK in effect.
Add the development of the USSR and its increasing post war influence.
There are bad apples here, some arrived as such and some may have been radicalised. Does radicalisation lead to grooming gangs? Or is that just behaviour of bad apples who have no respect for host culture and laws? If groups of white men did the same in, say Saudi Arabia, there would be multiple appeals being run in UK media in support of clemency and commuting of their death sentences. So many people seem to not be prepared to respect our laws and customs. If they can’t, they should either not come here in the first place or be fucked off elsewhere. May be some self policing would help.
Is this now an argument that we shouldn’t have opposed Hitler and that we should have kept the empire going?
I don’t think we as the West really had a choice in the circumstances. Churchill did of course float ‘Operation Unthinkable’ in the immediate aftermath of the war to invade Soviet-occupied Poland.Clearly not but there is a certain irony that we as the West sold ourselves to another Lucifer to achieve victory
It’s a hotly contested field, but arguing that not only did we not win WW2, but we shouldn’t have even tried to do so, may be the most unhinged shit on this entire forum. Lord knows what your social media diet is, but I would recommend a detox.Don’t be fucking stupid. Surely even you can’t think the cenotaph surrounded by plastic fencing is a good look. I would prefer a number of SAS located strategically to provide protection.
The war was won but the battle was lost. Created the conditions for multiple countries to pursue and achieve independence despite not having the wherewithal to support that status: including the UK in effect.
Add the development of the USSR and its increasing post war influence.
How patriotic of him.Biggest threat to the freedoms fought for has to be Farage and co. surely?
Bloke literally used to march along with his mates singing Hitler Youth songs.
Don’t be fucking stupid. Surely even you can’t think the cenotaph surrounded by plastic fencing is a good look. I would prefer a number of SAS located strategically to provide protection.
The war was won but the battle was lost. Created the conditions for multiple countries to pursue and achieve independence despite not having the wherewithal to support that status: including the UK in effect.
Add the development of the USSR and its increasing post war influence.
There are bad apples here, some arrived as such and some may have been radicalised. Does radicalisation lead to grooming gangs? Or is that just behaviour of bad apples who have no respect for host culture and laws? If groups of white men did the same in, say Saudi Arabia, there would be multiple appeals being run in UK media in support of clemency and commuting of their death sentences. So many people seem to not be prepared to respect our laws and customs. If they can’t, they should either not come here in the first place or be fucked off elsewhere. May be some self policing would help.
Why should being free to be yourself be limited to gays, lefties and academics?At least we wouldn’t have seen gays and lefties and academics being free to be themselves. It’s like Hitler won!
it would have been contradictory to have opposed Hitler whilst maintaining the empire , so no it isn’t.Is this now an argument that we shouldn’t have opposed Hitler and that we should have kept the empire going?
A Churchill quote will suffice as a start.Can you explain a little more about the development of the USSR and its post war influence?
The sitting President of the USA has done more to divide the West than any Russian could have dreamed.Why should being free to be yourself be limited to gays, lefties and academics?
it would have been contradictory to have opposed Hitler whilst maintaining the empire , so no it isn’t.
That doesn’t mean that the end of either was handled particularly well. The pragmatism of exhaustion intervened along with the surprise election of a Labour government.
in terms of independence , many of the nations seeking it were understandably impatient and hence protest movements were active in drawing the worlds population to their “plight”. The question is were they really ready for independence? Mature enough politically and / or economically to successfully manage the issues of the day and the future? Was the Labour government of the day overly accommodating?
The continued sabre rattling between India and Pakistan would suggest not politically mature enough in terms of Partition. The development of successful space and nuclear weapons programmes whilst still receiving foreign aid would suggest a more positive answer to that question. Possibly with collusion from UK governments over the years. Fuck it, let’s say probably as we are in hypothetical territory.
How well were the consequences of the creation of the Israeli state thought through, or was that more evidence of international acquiescence?
A Churchill quote will suffice as a start.
"From what I have seen of our Russian friends and Allies during the war, I am convinced that there is nothing they admire so much as strength, and there is nothing for which they have less respect than for weakness, especially military weakness. For that reason the old doctrine of a balance of power is unsound. We cannot afford, if we can help it, to work on narrow margins, offering temptations to a trial of strength. If the Western Democracies stand together in strict adherence to the principles of the United Nations charter, their influence for furthering these principles will be immense and no one is likely to molest them. If however they become divided or falter in their duty and if these all-important years are allowed to slip away then indeed catastrophe may overwhelm us all"
They didn't give up the territory of other countries that they had liberated from Germany, whose peoples basically continued to live in occupied territories under the rule of an alien country, government and country. Stalin was not all that much "better" than Hitler. Hitler wanted Liebersraum, Stalin wanted a military buffer but also got the benefits of access to industry and resources that Hitler would have got for Germany. Those seeking independence from the Soviet shackles found life could get quite unpleasant, often terminally so. Exchanged one dictator for another USSR less overt than Hitler in that jostled, at relatively low cost, for influence with poorer nations, having little or no need to pursue acquisition of additional territory having ended up with quite a lot in 1945.
Churchill's quote seems to remain relevant today.
Wouldn’t be a problem if they weren’t here. I also wondered if there could have been some Russian influence at play. Whatever the motivation, if there were to be an anti Iranian response it shouldn’t necessarily come as a surprise to anyone but the lefties.
Why should being free to be yourself be limited to gays, lefties and academics?At least we wouldn’t have seen gays and lefties and academics being free to be themselves. It’s like Hitler won!
it would have been contradictory to have opposed Hitler whilst maintaining the empire , so no it isn’t.Is this now an argument that we shouldn’t have opposed Hitler and that we should have kept the empire going?
A Churchill quote will suffice.Can you explain a little more about the development of the USSR and its post war influence?
The plastic fencing is nothing to do David Mitchell playing a comedy German. It is representative of the world as it is following all that bloodshed.At this point it is more to do with non comic Iranians. Which is possibly most of them?When I have to put up some plastic fencing around a war memorial
I shouldn't be surprised that I am not entitled to bang on about left wingers when it seems perfectly acceptable to left wingers to bang on about right wingers. The left wing has its share of brainwash idiots who simply seem unable to consider any alternative view of the world than their own. There needs to be an accommodation reached which will necessaetiae both left and right actually listening to each other and seriously considering the other view. The left wing clearly feels extremely let down by the government they have elected. That's one disappointment I am not having to suffer. I am probably getting pretty much the shite I was expecting when I realised that Starmer would be PM. TBF its worse, I hadn't expected the Winter Fuel Allowance betrayal.If you've got a problem with the Iranian state, that's one thing.
If you think blaming all Iranians for the actions of a tiny number is acceptable, then you're a racist idiot. Which is it?
Now I'm not saying you are a racist idiot, but let's be fair, the right wing does have more than its fair share of them, so it wouldn't necessarily come as a surprise if someone banging on about lefties turned out to be one.
Probably most sensible option5 seconds after trying SBT off-topic chat again.
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