Russia should see the formal concession of Crimea as a compromise in exchange for leaving the other territory.Well how do you stop the war then? What’s peace look like?
Sorry. Did you say in the ground or on the ground?According to a BBC report they have more troops on the ground now than at any time since the war started - so yeah it’s sustainable.
Russia should see the formal concession of Crimea as a compromise in exchange for leaving the other territory.
Surely you can see the parallels between getting Ukraine to give away more territory and the Munich agreement?
Then the choice is to allow Ukraine to be defeated or commit enough materiel to defeat the invasion.No I don’t and that’s never happening so I ask again - if Russia say no what would you do?
You sound deflated - chin up chicken
Sorry. Did you say in the ground or on the ground?
Then the choice is to allow Ukraine to be defeated or commit enough materiel to defeat the invasion.
I don’t know what I’d pick
I don’t know to be honest. I think allowing Ukraine to be absorbed by Russia has serious enough consequences for us that it’s not clear cut what to do at this point.If material isn’t enough would you put troops on the ground?
I don’t know to be honest. I think allowing Ukraine to be absorbed by Russia has serious enough consequences for us that it’s not clear cut what to do at this point.
I could say the same of most of what you’ve written on this thread
I could say the same of most of what you’ve written on this thread
I think the bigger picture comes to the fore here….The US cannot let Russia win. It would be Russia doing exactly what it accuses the west of doing. Where would a ‘neutral zone’ be? The US may not be involved in Trumps head, but it certainly needs to be if it is to retain any global influence.You are contemplating a situation where we go to war with Russia. This would mean a victory requiring regime change. So China would immediately defend Russia.
It’s a truly astonishing viewpoint as Ukraine is a nothing country. We allowed Stalin to rip Eastern Europe apart as long as he held the Eastern Front.
It’s insanity
What? Why let something as trivial as facts get in the way?I think it's more (for most!) questioning whether Western resolve to keep supporting Ukraine will continue.
Barely 10% of Europeans believe Ukraine can still defeat Russia, finds poll
Exclusive: Shift in sentiment requires EU politicians to focus on defining an acceptable peace, say authorswww.theguardian.com
Blimey, the majority of Europeans must support Putin, then.
Saying you think Russia will win the war does not make anyone pro Putin.
However, saying any or all of the following is likely to lead to accusations of pro Russian sentiment:
Criticising Ukraine more than Russia
Parroting Russian propaganda
Praise of Putin
Suggesting handing over some or all of Ukraine over to Russia
Stating you're perfectly fine with ethnic cleansing of Ukrainian people
Amongst others.
Point 4 is inevitable with any kind of settlement.Saying you think Russia will win the war does not make anyone pro Putin.
However, saying any or all of the following is likely to lead to accusations of pro Russian sentiment:
Criticising Ukraine more than Russia
Parroting Russian propaganda
Praise of Putin
Suggesting handing over some or all of Ukraine over to Russia
Stating you're perfectly fine with ethnic cleansing of Ukrainian people
Amongst others.
Point 4 is inevitable with any kind of settlement.
No one had done any but point 4 and that’s the situation anyway that we will end up with
Another mature response from someone clearly with nothing to say anymore
What? No one has praised Putin or said they're fine with ethnic cleansing.Suggesting that only one of those points has been said in here is utterly absurd. They all have. Repeatedly.
What? No one has praised Putin or said they're fine with ethnic cleansing.
What? No one has praised Putin or said they're fine with ethnic cleansing.
What? I was referring to his wider efforts to destabilise and divide the West - as in events around 2016.You said Putin has played a blinder.
Grendel has repeatedly said he doesn't care what happens to Ukrainian people when their land is handed over to Putin.
What? I was referring to his wider efforts to destabilise and divide the West - as in events around 2016.
You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Putin has united the West. Well, aside from the MAGA contingent in the US. Putin has single handedly expanded NATO. Putin has created an environment where there’s an appetite to fast track Ukraine and others into the EU thus expanding the EU. His key objectives were stated as the opposite of that. On what planet has Putin played a blinder?What? I was referring to his wider efforts to destabilise and divide the West - as in events around 2016.
You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Yeah, apart from working towards dividing Europe for over 5 years, including having a key country leave the EU and making it weaker. Oh, and the election of Trump and his potential re-election and threats to quit NATO.Putin has united the West. Well, aside from the MAGA contingent in the US. Putin has single handedly expanded NATO. Putin has created an environment where there’s an appetite to fast track Ukraine and others into the EU thus expanding the EU. His key objectives were stated as the opposite of that. On what planet has Putin played a blinder?
I said he'd played a blinder from his perspective; it's not my fault if you're unable to understand that it doesn't mean that I support it.Haha
'I haven't praised Putin'
'You said this'
'I was praising him about something ejse there!'
Amazing.
Fuck this. I'll leave you two to circle jerk over anything remotely negative that comes out of Ukraine in peace.
Enjoy the rape and murder of innocent women and kids, you've really earned it lads.
What? I was referring to his wider efforts to destabilise and divide the West - as in events around 2016.
You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Which has now backfired, by his own hands. With interest.Yeah, apart from working towards dividing Europe for over 5 years, including having a key country leave the EU and making it weaker. Oh, and the election of Trump and his potential re-election and threats to quit NATO.
In what way?Which has now backfired, by his own hands. With interest.
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