I would think so until we at least know we have somewhere to play and the rent/lease is sorted.
Why do you have to be pro or anti SISU?
I am happy with the squad that got put together....pro SISU
Unhappy with the way they are dealing with the rent/lease of the Ricoh...anti SISU
Cardiff and Forest know that throwing money at a club don't always work. Just the same as costcutting too far like last season can get you relegated.
I hate sisu. Did i ever tell you guys this?[/QUOTE
Me too thats two of us ,again no surprise ,its natural enough given my morals and politics.
The tone yesterday was that if you didn't support SISU you secretly wanted the club to go out of existence. School yard stuff
The tone yesterday was that if you didn't support SISU you secretly wanted the club to go out of existence. School yard stuff
I think the problem people have Godiva, myself included, is what did SISU expect, heading into the fated relegation season? The season before, we'd finished 18th - hence just above relegation, yet we lost Westwood, Turner, Gunnarsson, King and Jutkiewitz heading into the new season; with a manager with less than 2 months managerial experience. Surely relegation was inevitable?
Westwood and King chose to walk - Turner and Gunnar would have made no or little difference. I think the club only received money from Turner - and selling players was needed then and is needed still to keep up with the cashflow.
They have to accept a level of culpability for where we are - the lowest league position in a generation or two.
They have to accept their share of the responsibility - as do the players, the manager and the SOC campaigners. They are not solely responsible.
They also had the chance to review and potentially renegotiate the rental agreement when they completed due diligence. Again, as such a level of culpability needs to prevail if they either failed to do so; or simply didn't bother.
Sure they did, and failing to do so was a huge mistake. But as the club at takeover had a completely different economy the rent would not then have counted for as large a percentage of the overall costs as it does today.
Still - it would have been an even bigger mistake not to initiate rent-talks when they prepared this seasons budget. Better late than never.
Yet all we're doing is comparing our rentals to other clubs in this division. Lets start off with SISU accepting responsibility for us being in this damn division; thereafter, candid discussions with regards how we all climb out together can ensue
What other clubs pay, what other stadiums offer in regards to facilities is actually not important. Our club cannot afford the rent we (should) pay and that problem needs to be rectified.
You say sisu should accept responsibility and I assume you mean they should inject more millions. But I think you should consider the possibility that there simply is no more money going into this club. It has to live on it's own. Nobody - not even sisu - will be able to paint an investment prospect colorfull enough to attract new investors, so it's a dead end.
And now back to the crucial point: It doesn't seem that ACL can stay profitable if the club only pays what it can afford.
If that is true, then one of the two will fade away.
Who should it be?
And now back to the crucial point: It doesn't seem that ACL can stay profitable if the club only pays what it can afford.
If that is true, then one of the two will fade away.
Who should it be?
I don't agree with much of your brush-offs above. SISU's administration of the club is almost exclusively responsible for us being where we are.
And what can the club afford anyway? Even if they'd have existed rent free and shared match-day income, according to Fisher's own figures they'd still have lost in excess of £30m in five years.
So, even if they break ACL, they can't afford anything anyway. So, what's the bigger picture?
The rent is being withheld to force meaningful talks.
The clubs needs a better offer than ACL's temporary reduction offer that isn't going to get us anywhere long term.
It is being witheld to push ACL from a profiable to a loss making company and pressure them into giving away the goose that lays the golden egg.
They have got to avoid that scenario, what is needed is an alternative strategy from ACL that forces SISU onto the defensive, force SISU into having to find a new stadium & let ACL use the RICOH for whatever events can be staged to keep their heads above water.
People who say things like this often get accused of disloyalty to the club, but I think SISU's hold is like an illness, a cancer & the treatment has to be suitably aggressive to cure the club of it.
You're the leicester fan you troll.
and let ACL use the RICOH for whatever events can be staged to keep their heads above water.it.
You are looking backwards. And you're right - the club would still have lost a lot of money even if the rent had been £0 from day one.
But look forward - will the club be able to exist on its own paying say £400k plus matchday expenses and a five year installment plan for the £1m outstanding rent?
Maybe it can, but it would surely hurt any ambition of getting back to the championship.
If they get ACL they will have their £500k/yr profit. That will help the club.
If they can utilize the potential ACL says the stadium still has (but have failed to do themself) it will only help the club even more.
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