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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well new footage has appeared and the man is not brandishing a gun. He has a phone in his hands.

The goons ask him to stop filming, he refuses, a scuffle breaks out and then the man is pinned down by 3 or 4 of them.

He's then shot multiple times. It's murder.

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This is a photograh. It certainly doesn't clear anything up, especially if there was a gun involved, as it is not shown here. That is also aimed at the counter-story which has a picture of a gun with next to no context either.

You weren't there, and neither was anyone in this thread. There is a lot of disinformation going on from people that want their agenda matched online and I don't think the truth of this has actually been made available enough for any of us to make a totally confident 100% judgement.

 

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[CovValleyBoy]

America is a powder keg.

Clown. Or are you speaking from recent experience?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Clown. Or are you speaking from recent experience?

You seem quite upset tonight. What’s up?

 

[PVA]

This is a photograh. It certainly doesn't clear anything up, especially if there was a gun involved, as it is not shown here. That is also aimed at the counter-story which has a picture of a gun with next to no context either.

You weren't there, and neither was anyone in this thread. There is a lot of disinformation going on from people that want their agenda matched online and I don't think the truth of this has actually been made available enough for any of us to make a totally confident 100% judgement.

It's a screen grab from a video.

Knock yourself out, have two videos
It's clear the guys hands are in front of him the whole time and at no point does he have a gun in his hand.

When he is shot both hands are on the ground, there is no threat to life to ICE.

It's clear as day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/12Z7CvdUxJ

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Are far as I know it's legal to carry an unconcealed weapon in Minnesota (with a permit, but are people going to be waving that around as well?)

And there is absolutely NO justification to fire that many shots at someone. It's an execution, simple as, emboldened by Trump and his cronies defence of the previous incident with Good. They feel totally untouchable and above the law and this kind of thing is only going to occur more often and more blatantly as Trump etc. defend them.

And arguably that's what he wants as it gives him the excuse to suspend civil liberties and rights and impose federal (i.e. his) rule on places that don't agree with him. It won't be long before we start hearing noises about the need to suspend midterms (especially in blue areas) because of unrest caused by his vigilante thug gangs (which I think I'm going to start calling Orangeshirts).

Ask yourself this - if our own law enforcement or government agents starting walking around with facemasks on and refusing to wear ID or bodycams, would you think "well there's some upstanding people who are trying to improve our community"?

I agree with the amount of shots fired, it is extremely excessive. Again though, we don't know the context. If he had a gun and starts wrestling around and fighting, many law enforcement officers have been killed this way dealing with criminals. They are not going to hesitate in shooting you for that reason. When they shoot you, they will do so to make sure you aren't getting up. It isn't just a warning.

What we do know is that law enforcement do not fuck around in the US. If someone thinks it is ok to wave a gun around (with or without a permit) and expect nothing to happen, then that is ridiculously naive. It's easy to get outraged online, but it is not the real world. America is a shit show in that regard, and it is extremely irresponsible for people whipping up others by telling them to resist or that kicking off is ok. We are going to see more people killed. This is not the UK where you might get pepper sprayed or hit with a baton. You are in all likelihood getting shot, and it is game over.

And no, I would not like to see these practices in the UK. I think we need to be a lot tougher on immigration, but that doesn't mean what they are doing is going the right way about it. I have said many times that I do not agree with many of their behaviours and tactics, and I do actually think (whether this is relevant in this situation or not is too early to tell) Trump is enabling this significantly by making this department largely unaccountable.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

You seem quite upset tonight. What’s up?

Chuffed tonight....thank you Sheff Utd

 

[CovValleyBoy]

The echo here hurts tinnitus

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It's a screen grab from a video.

Knock yourself out, have two videos
It's clear the guys hands are in front of him the whole time and at no point does he have a gun in his hand.

When he is shot both hands are on the ground, there is no threat to life to ICE.

It's clear as day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/12Z7CvdUxJ

You cannot be serious. Come on. The Internet is not real life, and you are treating this like a computer simulation. You weren't there, and it all happens in a split second.

If he had a weapon, which looks like it might have been removed by one person who was out of sight from the others, at more or less the same time as the first shots were fired, where is the reaction time to make a sensible decision? In a life or death situation, which this could have been, where many law enforcment officers lose their lives, you are not going to take any chances. You have no idea what is being said, you have no idea how many weapons he might have, and you have no idea if he can overpowerer you and shoot. That's whilst these clowns in the background are shouting and blowing whistles etc.

Over 1000 people are killed by law enforcement by the USA every year. In this exact situation.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Could that video have been AI maybe

 

[SBAndy]

Could that video have been AI maybe

One of them would have been in a bikini if so.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

One of them would have been in a bikini if so.

and there would have been a 2 headed dog at some point on there

 

[Finham]

Could that video have been AI maybe

No

 

[Boicey]

The guy murdered by Trump's brownshirts was an ICU nurse who treated veterans amongst others.

 

[PVA]

You cannot be serious. Come on. The Internet is not real life, and you are treating this like a computer simulation. You weren't there, and it all happens in a split second.

If he had a weapon, which looks like it might have been removed by one person who was out of sight from the others, at more or less the same time as the first shots were fired, where is the reaction time to make a sensible decision? In a life or death situation, which this could have been, where many law enforcment officers lose their lives, you are not going to take any chances. You have no idea what is being said, you have no idea how many weapons he might have, and you have no idea if he can overpowerer you and shoot. That's whilst these clowns in the background are shouting and blowing whistles etc.

Over 1000 people are killed by law enforcement by the USA every year. In this exact situation.

With his hands on the ground and absolutely no access to the gun he is not a threat to life.


He gets pepper sprayed.
Pinned to the ground.
Smashed in the face repeatedly with something.
Gun taken off him.
Then he's shot 8-10 times.

It's what happens when you let a bunch of overzealous blood thirsty cosplayers loose without proper training.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You can see how this escalates
Very few chances left to avoid civil war

 

[SBAndy]

Just as a quick point, I can’t say I understand the psyche of hunting out videos of a guy getting repeatedly shot. I’ve tended to steer well clear of any videos like that for a while.

 

[PVA]

and there would have been a 2 headed dog at some point on there

Or a giant orange manchild.

Oh wait.

 

[PVA]

Just as a quick point, I can’t say I understand the psyche of hunting out videos of a guy getting repeatedly shot. I’ve tended to steer well clear of any videos like that for a while.

Ordinarily I would agree, but this kind of thing is, unfortunately, important to see. It gives context and an alternative view to a government trying to cover up its crimes.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

With his hands on the ground and absolutely no access to the gun he is not a threat to life.


He gets pepper sprayed.
Pinned to the ground.
Smashed in the face repeatedly with something.
Gun taken off him.
Then he's shot 8-10 times.

It's what happens when you let a bunch of overzealous blood thirsty cosplayers loose without proper training.

You have absolutely no idea if he was a threat to life. At this point no one in this thread does, but if he has a gun on him, there is a good chance law enforcement are not taking any chances, especially if you are fighting with them. You are narrating the version of events you want to be true over the video, but at present most of it is unclear and there is a significant lack of context, so I am certainly going to take every version of this with a pinch of salt. The one thing that is completely unquestionable is that if you are fucking around with a gun around law enforcement in the USA, you have a good chance getting shot. They are incredibly paranoid, much for good reason like the below, and will often shoot without hesitation if there is any chance they could be in danger.

This happened literally 3 blocks from the incident today. Not even half a mile away. Watch the first minute. The USA is the wild west.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Grow up.

You are turning g i to Grendel

Same in Canada only worse. More cases, smaller population.

And Mexico.

Also how could the new direction effect anything since it's been in place less than one year, most people already have MMR jabs, they start that program around 1 year old and the MMR recommendation is still in place for one shot at 12-15 months and a second at 4 to 6 years, identical to what it was before RFK Jr became head of HHS.

That looks and smells like BS, that you are swallowing there fella. Any source?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You have absolutely no idea if he was a threat to life. At this point no one in this thread does, but if he has a gun on him, there is a good chance law enforcement are not taking any chances, especially if you are fighting with them. You are narrating the version of events you want to be true over the video, but at present most of it is unclear and there is a significant lack of context, so I am certainly going to take every version of this with a pinch of salt. The one thing that is completely unquestionable is that if you are fucking around with a gun around law enforcement in the USA, you have a good chance getting shot. They are incredibly paranoid, much for good reason like the below, and will often shoot without hesitation if there is any chance they could be in danger.

This happened literally 3 blocks from the incident today. Not even half a mile away. Watch the first minute. The USA is the wild west.

Exactly. You have no idea that he was a threat to life. But you're working on the assumption that you want, that he had a gun and therefore could have been considered a lethal threat by the agents. Every reply you've made has made the point about a gun, yet it's very unclear whether there was a weapon at all, and if there was he could have been carrying it perfectly legally and not brandishing it.

Your fitting the narrative to what you want it to be just as much, if not more, as others.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

The claim this chap had a gun or that ICE knew he had a gun does not seem to stand up from these videos. It was an argument that turned into a physical altercation and then a murder in anger by more than one guy.
Surely this will end up in court one day when Trump is not in power and these guys will do serious time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The claim this chap had a gun or that ICE knew he had a gun does not seem to stand up from these videos. It was an argument that turned into a physical altercation and then a murder in anger by more than one guy.
Surely this will end up in court one day when Trump is not in power and these guys will do serious time.

As I sat there’s very few chances to stop this descending into absolute chaos