LarryGrayson
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time for a boxing match challenge mebbe
time for a boxing match challenge mebbeWhy are you being so aggressive?
Nope. I think if it is true that he had a gun, which amazingly none of you have managed to mention yet, then it does change the situation.
I don't think all the facts are out at this point. My view might change.
Like you did when you were frothing about a church being 'stormed' and then had to backtrack to it just being a protest?
Go on, quote Homeland Security at us again.
Astonishing you keep pulling others up for not being objective when you get more upset about a church protest than two people being murdered.
He didn't have a gun when he was shot.
I didn't mention him having a gun because, again, nothing justifies the use of force captured on the video.Nope. I think if it is true that he had a gun, which amazingly none of you have managed to mention yet, then it does change the situation.
I don't think all the facts are out at this point. My view might change.
Its fuck around find out again! Agreed.How would they know that? Especially if he had already been waving a firearms around previously.
No one really knows at this point anyway, but this is America. If you want to fuck around with weapons around law enforcement it is probably going to end badly, unfortunately.
Apologies. Forgot it's your job to go off like a bottle of pop in response to someone. In my defence I am addressing your usual laughable take on a situation.Why are you being so aggressive?
I didn't mention him having a gun because, again, nothing justifies the use of force captured on the video.
Apologies. Forgot it's your job to go off like a bottle of pop in response to someone. In my defence I am addressing your usual laughable take on a situation.
How would they know that? Especially if he had already been waving a firearms around previously.
No one really knows at this point anyway, but this is America. If you want to fuck around with weapons around law enforcement it is probably going to end badly, unfortunately.
You know what would settle this quickly? If they wore body cameras like the police do. So why don’t they?How would they know that? Especially if he had already been waving a firearms around previously.
No one really knows at this point anyway, but this is America. If you want to fuck around with weapons around law enforcement it is probably going to end badly, unfortunately.
They would know that because one of the ICE goons takes it off him (it's not clear whether the victim was holding it or if it was holstered).
The man is then shot 8 or 9 times, most of them when he is motionless on the ground.
You know what would settle this quickly? If they wore body cameras like the police do. So why don’t they?
So if you are saying it isn't clear in a video you've watched probably 100 times, how would they know when they've got a split second? How would they know he didn't have a second firearm?
The answer is you wouldn't. It's a classic shoot to kill. They do it there all the time for these sort of situations. It is fucking horrible.
Surely whether or not this shooting is found to be murder, the more pressing issue at hand is that this ICE operation has been shown to be a complete catastrophe that has only served to make Minneapolis less safe and more disordered, and serves as a crushing blow to those who would advocate for even something vaguely similar to happen here in the UK?So if you are saying it isn't clear in a video you've watched probably 100 times, how would they know when they've got a split second? How would they know he didn't have a second firearm?
The answer is you wouldn't. It's a classic shoot to kill. They do it there all the time for these sort of situations. It is fucking horrible.
tbf only if a beta foreign lookin muslimAnd 30-40% of the population has a gun, so you're saying anyone carrying is fair game to be executed by ICE.
Unless they are a woman and fittbf only if a beta foreign lookin muslim
My point is they don't wear them for the same reason they all wear masks. They're up to no good and they know it.Agreed. They should wear them and they need to sort that straight away at this point.
Oh my sweet summer childAgreed. They should wear them and they need to sort that straight away at this point.
It's not clear whether the gun is in his hand or a holster from the video - it would be clear to them.
It is clear from the video the gun is taken off him.
And 30-40% of the population has a gun, so you're saying anyone carrying is fair game to be executed by ICE.
Like that mother who was murdered for trying to drive away from them?Yes, your last paragraph (it does generally vary by state) qualifies the point. Yhe ownership in MN is about 43%, how many have multiple firearms? Removing one gun doesn't remove the risk necessarily.
I have said before on this thread that I really don't like the trigger happy culture over there, but if you mess around with guns and law enforcement you are playing an extremely dangerous game.
She messed with law enforcementLike that mother who was murdered for trying to drive away from them?
My point is they don't wear them for the same reason they all wear masks. They're up to no good and they know it.
Fair.Yeah, I think you are probably right. With all the incidents now though, everything they are doing is being watched under a microscope. For the sake of everyone's safety they need to wear bodycams. It has been quite successful for the police forces.
Yes, your last paragraph (it does generally vary by state) qualifies the point. Yhe ownership in MN is about 43%, how many have multiple firearms? Removing one gun doesn't remove the risk necessarily.
I have said before on this thread that I really don't like the trigger happy culture over there, but if you mess around with guns and law enforcement you are playing an extremely dangerous game.
Thinking you can make these ICE operations safer by making them wear bodycams is a bit like thinking you can stop shark attacks by making them sign health and safety waivers beforehand.You know what would settle this quickly? If they wore body cameras like the police do. So why don’t they?
Same in Canada only worse. More cases, smaller population.Measles seems to be steadily working its way through the US, and on the way to being endemic. I’m sure this has nothing to do with anti vaxx loons overseeing healthcare in the country.
Oh I didn’t mean it would bring an end to the violence. I meant it would immediately make it absolutely clear what happened and who was at fault.Thinking you can make these ICE operations safer by making them wear bodycams is a bit like thinking you can stop shark attacks by making them sign health and safety waivers beforehand.
Are far as I know it's legal to carry an unconcealed weapon in Minnesota (with a permit, but are people going to be waving that around as well?)Yes, your last paragraph (it does generally vary by state) qualifies the point. Yhe ownership in MN is about 43%, how many have multiple firearms? Removing one gun doesn't remove the risk necessarily.
I have said before on this thread that I really don't like the trigger happy culture over there, but if you mess around with guns and law enforcement you are playing an extremely dangerous game.
See.And….
Trump says UK soldiers in Afghanistan 'among greatest of all warriors'
The US president's praise follows his claim that allied forces avoided the front lines during the Afghanistan conflict.www.bbc.co.uk
America is a powder keg.
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