David O'Day
Well-Known Member
people bite at that one every year
people bite at that one every yearBooooooo
You think he WANTED people to die?
It does feel like he didn’t care if they did as there were more important factors
Ie right to bear arms
He did think some deaths were a price worth paying
Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said some gun deaths 'worth it' in order to have Second Amendment
That is on the record.
Before you say it, still not a reason to kill him.
that is not even in the same universeDo you think murderers walking free is a price worth paying to have a legal system that has to prove your guilt?
that is not even in the same universe
no, it's just you trying to justify your fucked logic where you tied yourself in knotsYes it is. It’s about supporting certain rights.
Most of support a right that allows murderers to walk free.
It doesn’t mean we want murders to happen
no, it's just you trying to justify your fucked logic where you tied yourself in knots
there is not a universe where being okay with people being murdered is in anyway the same as fair criminal justice system
So on what basis do you convict anyone then? A gut feeling? A hunch?Do you think murderers walking free is a price worth paying to have a legal system that has to prove your guilt?
i'm not playing your frankly bizarre gameYou support a legal system that you know lets killers walk free? Yes?
So on what basis do you convict anyone then? A gut feeling? A hunch?
Timothy McVeigh too further afieldThis is all happening when it may yet well emerge that he was killed by someone further right than he was. At least wait until the killer has been apprehended before pretending that it is in fact the left that can’t control their violent impulses when for as long as anyone can remember, mass shootings are the preserve of the far right.
Dylan Roof, Anders Breivik, the Minnesota shooter earlier this year even, Trump’s armed insurrection at the Capitol to prevent the transfer of power. These barely scratch the surface.
I wouldn't normally wade in...
CourseI think we all have the right to be innocent till proven guilty. I’m sure you agree with that right?
Because of that right, we know that rapists and even murderers will have walked free.
Whilst we support the right of innocent till proven guilty, and accept that guilty people will walk free, it doesn’t mean we want rapists and murders to get away with it does it?
Course
Didn't he say empathy is a sin?
I would add I would understand this if they took steps to limit those consequencesAnd that is the same with many of the right to bear arms lot.
Frankly I don’t understand the American right’s obsession with guns, but I can understand you can support a legal right, accept it has consequences, but still not want those consequences to happen
It does feel like he didn’t care if they did as there were more important factors
Ie right to bear arms
Fair challenge I’m sure he did care and I’m sure his family and friends care that’s he’s been murdered by a gun that didn’t need to be out there in societyI'm not sure it's right to say that he didn't care, but as with many Americans, Kirk was a constitution fanatic who genuinely believed that a repeal of the Second Amendment would expose Americans to government tyranny and leave citizens vulnerable to whatever threat they believe they may or may not believe they're exposed to.
This isn't just a Charlie Kirk problem though, a worrying proportion of the US population will probably share those fanatical views in some shape or form.
For a repeal of the Second Amendment to even be made remotely possible, the culture of the country towards gun ownership needs to change, as does their unhealthy obsessive relationship with an outdated 200 year old set of principles and rules which were written in a pre-democratic era.
You would rather lock innocent people up (and for crimes with capital punishment, kill them), than let guilty people go free. I know which of the two is the lesser evil for me.With overwhelming evidence, otherwise you assume they are innocent.
However in doing that we know murderers will escape justice.
But we consider that a price worth paying to uphold the basic right of innocent till proven guilty
The only difference with that is sympathy is about showing concern for someone who’s going through something you have experienced. Empathy is showing concern for someone who’s going through something you haven’tHe said he preferred the word sympathy actually
I would add I would understand this if they took steps to limit those consequences
I’d say British rather than add leftThe American right act with guns the same way that the British left act with the NHS.
Any attempt at reforming it is a complete no go
You would rather lock innocent people up (and for crimes with capital punishment, kill them), than let guilty people go free. I know which of the two is the lesser evil for me.
From 3 years ago this, but even so.Timothy McVeigh too further afield
There are plenty across the political spectrum in the UK who want to keep the NHS.The American right act with guns the same way that the British left act with the NHS.
Any attempt at reforming it is a complete no go
it's the one great political unifier in the UK.There are plenty across the political spectrum in the UK who want to keep the NHS.
There are plenty across the political spectrum in the UK who want to keep the NHS.
the same way that the British left act with the NHS.
Interestingly he's been sacked for admitting writing messages in something Trump says doesn't exist.So Mandy sacked - should suggest Citizen Khan to replace him
No they don't. One set of people ignore evidence from across the world around gun control and what the results are, the other might point to evidence from around the world that NHS-type systems tend to deliver the best results for the most people.
There why were there no reforms under a right wing government over the last 14 years?It’s not about keeping it or getting rid of it.
It’s about reforming it. Any time someone tries to change it they get accused of wanting to privatise it
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