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[fernandopartridge]

He’s at fault for that is he then?

No, it's just a fact mate.

This thread proves that there just can't and won't ever be and kind of discourse between left and right leaning individuals.

Charlie Kirk came out with a lot of pretty batshit things, that's undeniable. He was the poster boy for American Conservatism and genuinely some of his views were like he was sucked out of 1957 - largely to whip up right wing hysteria while farming clicks/views to monetise his political influencer career. I very much doubt he believed half of the rhetoric he came out with.

But fundamentally what happened yesterday was abhorrent. Right or left you should be allowed to air your views without the concern of violence coming your way, least of all on the horrific scale of what happened to Charlie.

What's happening in the US is pretty concerning to say the least. The polarised gulf between both ends of the spectrum is getting wider and these incidents only serve to increase that gap and entrench partisan views further.

I do feel it's lost as a country and the increasing tension which is building is only going to end in more mindless violence being committed.

"Both ends of the spectrum" assumes there is a spectrum (America has no meaningful leftwing, it's more liberalism v conservativism) and that the murderer was at the opposite end of it, if there is one.

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

Who decides what is and isn’t polarising?
You?

Well the wider publics reaction to his death suggests what he said was polarising

 

[fernandopartridge]

Who decides what is and isn’t polarising?
You?

You said that remain v leave was polarising, on that basis could you see why the UK prime minister at the time of Jo Cox's murder could be assassinated?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The squeeze continues.

WHO pulled the trigger?

Trump vows crackdown on 'political violence'published at 02:28​

02:28BREAKING​

Here's more from Trump's video statement. He said his administration would "find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence".

Trump said "radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people". He cited the assassination attempt against him and the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson last year.

Trump has stirred controversy for regularly blaming the "radical left" for the country's deepening political divisions - with critics arguing that his rhetoric has incited violence against his political opponents.

The person who shot him registered as a Republican.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You said that remain v leave was polarising, on that basis could you see why the UK prime minister at the time of Jo Cox's murder could be assassinated?

I said some people found it polarising

 

[bigfatronssba]

The person who shot him registered as a Republican.

That’s interesting considering they don’t know who shot him yet

 

[mmttww]

Does that make him a bad person?

but that isn't what you're saying. You think his mission was to encourage debate. I don't think his actions support that.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Well the wider publics reaction to his death suggests what he said was polarising

Well decent people are appalled by it

A minority of scumbags of twitter are celebrating

 

[bigfatronssba]

but that isn't what you're saying. You think his mission was to encourage debate. I don't think his actions support that.

You mean sometimes he failed in his aims?

You know what that made him? Human

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

why does it? Everyone was getting on fine and agreeing until one person tried to police how people should feel.

the voice of reason ‘David’, keep at it you’ll be a super moderator one day. I find it absolutely hilarious how you are trying to be all ‘edgy’ when a guy that had a wife and 2 young children has died, you’ll post a load of shit until someone calls you out on it though, like when @Saddlebrains did and you went all quiet, absolute gobshite

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If nothing excuses taking another life, Charlie Kirk’s opinions and beliefs are irrelevant to his murder aren’t they?

I think it’s more relevant to why he was shot but utterly indefensible

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

"Both ends of the spectrum" assumes there is a spectrum (America has no meaningful leftwing, it's more liberalism v conservativism) and that the murderer was at the opposite end of it, if there is one.

I would say there very much is a political spectrum in the USA.

 

[David O'Day]

the voice of reason ‘David’, keep at it you’ll be a super moderator one day. I find it absolutely hilarious how you are trying to be all ‘edgy’ when a guy that had a wife and 2 young children has died, you’ll post a load of shit until someone calls you out on it though, like when @Saddlebrains did and you went all quiet

i have no idea what you are talking about, where am I being edgy? Please show me you twat

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

That’s interesting considering they don’t know who shot him yet

I was talking about the person that shot Trump.

And yes, it is incredible that the President is blaming leftists when the identity of the shooter is unknown.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The point is no one at all brought up Jo Coxs opinions immediately after her death. Her attack was rightly seen completely unprovoked and unjustified.

People on her have brought up Charlie Kirk’s opinions immediately after his death. Now that is at best irrelevant, or at worst looking like an attempt at justification

I think part of that may be because he's not a well known figure over here, so people are naturally curious as to his position and what may have contributed towards some nutcase killing him. It's called determining a motive. The police do it all the time and you can be sure the authorities over there are looking at it to determine the cause.

With Jo Cox over here she was better known, as was her position on stuff, so those discussions weren't really required. It was stuff that was already known.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I would say there very much is a political spectrum in the USA.

Feels more like a circle where far right and far left meet round the back in some crazy extremist world where releasing rioters who attacked the capitol and attacked law enforcement is warranted as is a random individual shooting a 31 year old in the neck from 300 yards away because he didn’t like what he said or stood for

The rest of us are just trying to manage to pay our way, treat others as we would have them treat us and try and give opportunities to the next generation regardless of whether they are our children or others children

Bizarre, scary and mad

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You can’t get out of that mindset can you?

THIS IS THE PROBLEM

You’ve picked a bunch of things you personally disagree with, so have decided that he somehow had less right to speak his opinions than someone you agree with

Do you support the fundamental principle that people should have the right to say things that you disagree with?

So why are you saying he shouldn't be posting what he has on here? As far as I can see all he's done is posted a list of quotes Kirk has made. Nowhere did he say he had less right to speak his opinions on them, as distasteful as they may be.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So why are you saying he shouldn't be posting what he has on here? As far as I can see all he's done is posted a list of quotes Kirk has made. Nowhere did he say he had less right to speak his opinions on them, as distasteful as they may be.

Was intimating they were bonkers opinions which I just happen to agree they were

 

[mmttww]

You mean sometimes he failed in his aims?

No, I don't think encouraging debate was his aim having read about him and watched clips from some of his events. Just because he said it was his aim, doesn't make it true. I don't want to get into endless back and forth about it right after he's been killed. I just don't think you're representing how he operated fairly. It's fine if we don't agree on that.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I think it’s more relevant to why he was shot but utterly indefensible

I think that’s a dangerous relevance to accept as given that offence is taken not given, all of us can potentially offend others

 

[bigfatronssba]

So why are you saying he shouldn't be posting what he has on here? As far as I can see all he's done is posted a list of quotes Kirk has made. Nowhere did he say he had less right to speak his opinions on them, as distasteful as they may be.

Again, please learn the difference between disagreement and cancellation.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I was talking about the person that shot Trump.

And yes, it is incredible that the President is blaming leftists when the identity of the shooter is unknown.

I imagine they had to register as a republican to get into the republican rally Trump was at

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

i have no idea what you are talking about, where am I being edgy? Please show me you twat

Twat haha rich coming from you Matthew, have a look in the mirror. Not once have you expressed sympathy for him, just looking to make ‘points’ which are completely ridiculous, some bloke has just lost his life and the usual weirdos on here are laughing about it

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Feels more like a circle where far right and far left meet round the back in some crazy extremist world where releasing rioters who attacked the capitol and attacked law enforcement is warranted as is a random individual shooting a 31 year old in the neck from 300 yards away because he didn’t like what he said or stood for

The rest of us are just trying to manage to pay our way, treat others as we would have them treat us and try and give opportunities to the next generation regardless of whether they are our children or others children

Bizarre, scary and mad

In a way.

I think whatever political ideology, or even religious ideology you follow, the more extreme you get the more superficial similarities will inevitably appear.

On a deeper level though the core goals and values will be vastly different.

 

[duffer]

Who decides what is and isn’t polarising?
You?

There's polarising and there's the absolutely vain attempt to suggest there's any similarity between what she stood for and what Kirk did.

He was ok with people dying to support second amendment rights. School children. He was ok with violence against others in a political cause.

I'm not ok with any of those things.

Kirk didn't have a problem with violence against people he didn't agree with, wasn't too troubled about children dying to retain second amendment rights.

I get you're upset about his passing, but he literally died for something he believed in and was content to see others die for. I can't pretend that his death makes me particularly sad, violence is never the solution, but he wasn't too worried about other people dying for his chosen causes.

Jo Cox, as far as I'm aware, didn't want anyone to die for her beliefs, and in fact advocated for exactly the opposite during her lifetime.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think that’s a dangerous relevance to accept as given that offence is taken not given, all of us can potentially offend others

We do often it’s a given that at any point someone will take offence at something we’re saying
I agree about legitimising this offence as leading to a legitimate reaction. Violent acts is a line that is unacceptable. Debate, argument, frustration, protest etc etc is absolutely ok

 

[David O'Day]

Twat haha rich coming from you Matthew, have a look in the mirror. Not once have you expressed sympathy for him, just looking to make ‘points’ which are completely ridiculous, some bloke has just lost his life and the usual weirdos on here are laughing about it

I've said he shouldn't have been shot you thick c**t.

No one is laughing about it, why are you just making things up to create drama on a forum?

If you have a personal problem with me then have a word on Saturday.

And it's Matthew David Patrick Anthony O'Dea to you Domonic

 

[bigfatronssba]

There's polarising and there's the absolutely vain attempt to suggest there's any similarity between what she stood for and what Kirk did.

He was ok with people dying to support second amendment rights. School children. He was ok with violence against others in a political cause.

I'm not ok with any of those things.

Kirk didn't have a problem with violence against people he didn't agree with, wasn't too troubled about children dying to retain second amendment rights.

I get you're upset about his passing, but he literally died for something he believed in and was content to see others die for. I can't pretend that his death makes me particularly sad, violence is never the solution, but he wasn't too worried about other people dying for his chosen causes.

Jo Cox, as far as I'm aware, didn't want anyone to die for her beliefs, and in fact advocated for exactly the opposite during her lifetime.

You think he WANTED people to die?

 

[Otis]

I've said he shouldn't have been shot you thick c**t.

No one is laughing about it, why are you just making things up to create drama on a forum?

If you have a personal problem with me then have a word on Saturday.

And it's Matthew David Patrick Anthony O'Dea to you Domonic

How do you get all that on the back of your City shirt?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You think he WANTED people to die?

He didn't say that to be fair, he said he had no problem with people dying if it protected their right to the second amendment

 

[duffer]

Twat haha rich coming from you Matthew, have a look in the mirror. Not once have you expressed sympathy for him, just looking to make ‘points’ which are completely ridiculous, some bloke has just lost his life and the usual weirdos on here are laughing about it

Literally no one is laughing about it, nonce fanboy. Stop listening to the voices in your head and try reading stuff before commentating. You'll look (slightly) less of an ignorant twat that way.

Anyway, isn't it time for your medication. Nurse, he's at it again!

 

[David O'Day]

You think he WANTED people to die?

He did think some deaths were a price worth paying

Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said some gun deaths 'worth it' in order to have Second Amendment

That is on the record.

Before you say it, still not a reason to kill him.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You think he WANTED people to die?

It does feel like he didn’t care if they did as there were more important factors
Ie right to bear arms

 

[David O'Day]

How do you get all that on the back of your City shirt?

I don't wear city shirts as I've left school

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don't where city shirts as I've left school

Booooooo