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Grendel

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SkyBlueDom26

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Brighton Sky Blue

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fatso said:
Oh, so your the expert now are you!

So explain to us about the DNA in the "vaccine" then.
You know, the element that's been proven to be there beyond doubt, and is causing massive issues with people's imune systems.
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More of an expert than you I assure you, but some way off the Nobel Prize winning scientist who pioneered the technology.

The mRNA gets the body to produce the surface antigens needed to trigger an immune response. It achieves the same outcome as traditional vaccination but without needing to produce neutralised or dead pathogen in the first place.
 
chiefdave

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fatso said:
If you choose not to believe it, or not to look into it, then that's fine, its entirely up to you.

Im not going to argue with you about it, I have no need to prove anything to you or anyone else. I've a very good idea of what's happening, and if anyone doesn't want to know or doesn't want to hear it, or would be comfortable thinking its all bollocks, then that's fine.
You carry on son.
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I'm perfectly happy to have my views on anything challenged and more than happy to change my views when the evidence supports it.

But the argument here seems to be ignore the global medical consensus, including huge numbers of highly trained individuals, but believe this guy. And the guy we are supposed to believe is a guy who has on multiple occasions been shown to be repeating demonstrable false information on this subject.

We can't get this forum to agree on what colour the away kit is but apparently we can get governments, scientists and medical professionals around the world to agree to something that will massively increase their workload and put them at significantly more risk. I don't get it, why would they?
 
Captain Dart

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
More of an expert than you I assure you, but some way off the Nobel Prize winning scientist who pioneered the technology.

The mRNA gets the body to produce the surface antigens needed to trigger an immune response. It achieves the same outcome as traditional vaccination but without needing to produce neutralised or dead pathogen in the first place.
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When you say 'the body' you I understand mean a cell where the LNP has carried the mRNA to a cell's ribosomes, is that a reasonable interpretation of your rather vague description?

So by your understanding
1. Is the period of antigen production limited, if so how?
2. Is the cell that produces the antigen targeted can it be for example an endothelial cell, a heart muscle cell or in the reproductive system rather than a muscle cell in the injected arm.
3. Are cells that produce antigen's targeted by the immune system for destruction.
4. Is the quality of the mRNA introduced 100% guaranteed, that is to say are there never flaws, if not what is the quality like.
5. Is antigen production 100% accurate or can mistakes be made resulting in proteins that could be dangerous.
6. Can you explain why the VAERS records over 38,000 deaths associated with the covid jab which is more deaths than it records for the rest of VAERS 30 year history for all other vaccines (see graphic below).

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Brighton Sky Blue

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Captain Dart said:
When you say 'the body' you I understand mean a cell where the LNP has carried the mRNA to a cell's ribosomes, is that a reasonable interpretation of your rather vague description?

So by your understanding
1. Is the period of antigen production limited, if so how?
2. Is the cell that produces the antigen targeted can it be for example an endothelial cell, a heart muscle cell or in the reproductive system rather than a muscle cell in the injected arm.
3. Are cells that produce antigen's targeted by the immune system for destruction.
4. Is the quality of the mRNA introduced 100% guaranteed, that is to say are there never flaws, if not what is the quality like.
5. Is antigen production 100% accurate or can mistakes be made resulting in proteins that could be dangerous.
6. Can you explain why the VAERS records over 38,000 deaths associated with the covid jab which is more deaths than it records for the rest of VAERS 30 year history for all other vaccines (see graphic below).

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I was keeping things simple for fatso. If you wish to get into the technical weeds of it, of course we can.

Let's take this forum as a good sample size. We have posters on here who died from COVID. Who died from the vaccine?
 
Captain Dart

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I was keeping things simple for fatso. If you wish to get into the technical weeds of it, of course we can.

Let's take this forum as a good sample size. We have posters on here who died from COVID. Who died from the vaccine?
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I'll tell you what why don't you answer my questions first rather than deflect.

I was not looking on this forum during Covid but people die from flu too and it has a similar IFR probably higher in the young.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Captain Dart said:
I'll tell you what why don't you answer my questions first rather than deflect.

I was not looking on this forum during Covid but people die from flu too and it has a similar IFR probably higher in the young.
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You have clearly decided that vaccines are unsafe, probably as some lunatic conspiracy theory, and won't hear anything to the contrary. In fact, I see it as insulting to the people who worked their backsides off to deliver a solution to the virus in record time to act as though you, a crank on the internet, know better than those who spend their lives working in the field.

You haven't stumbled on some hidden secret flaw in world changing medicine, you're a moron on the internet.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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chiefdave

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Captain Dart said:
Can you explain why the VAERS records over 38,000 deaths associated with the covid jab which is more deaths than it records for the rest of VAERS 30 year history for all other vaccines (see graphic below).
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They don't do they? I was under the impression the FDA requires every death of a person who has had the covid vaccine to be reported to VAERS.

You could have your job, go to the top of the hospital and throw yourself off and you'd be recorded in the stats but I don't think anyone would claim that having the jab was associated with your death.
 
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Maybe the more interesting question/debate would be, was making the Covid vaccine pretty much mandatory for all ages, even for those at minimal risk and/or who’d already had Covid, the right decision

Following on from CDs post, the vaccine would’ve had a far better risk v reward for the elderly and those with certain health conditions, compared with for young people, in good health who’d already had Covid. Everyone was getting Covid with or without the jab so presume herd immunity benefit (from mandating vaccine) probably goes out the window.

Never sat quite right with me encouraging young kids to have it (which from memory was even worse around Europe)

anyway, back to trump, surely he’s said something weird, funny or offensive today 🤷‍♂️
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
Maybe the more interesting question/debate would be, was making the Covid vaccine pretty much mandatory for all ages, even for those at minimal risk and/or who’d already had Covid, the right decision

Following on from CDs post, the vaccine would’ve had a far better risk v reward for the elderly and those with certain health conditions, compared with for young people, in good health who’d already had Covid. Everyone was getting Covid with or without the jab so presume herd immunity benefit (from mandating vaccine) probably goes out the window.

Never sat quite right with me encouraging young kids to have it (which from memory was even worse around Europe)

anyway, back to trump, surely he’s said something weird, funny or offensive today 🤷‍♂️
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He's in Scotland at the moment, probably drinking each town dry
 
Captain Dart

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chiefdave said:
They don't do they? I was under the impression the FDA requires every death of a person who has had the covid vaccine to be reported to VAERS.

You could have your job, go to the top of the hospital and throw yourself off and you'd be recorded in the stats but I don't think anyone would claim that having the jab was associated with your death.
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VAERS reports are made for suspected vaccine reactions only not for RTA's within a day of injection. 😁

It's massively under reported so is the UK Yellow Card system, for one thing it takes a lot of time to make a report which the medics don't have.
 
Captain Dart

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You have clearly decided that vaccines are unsafe, probably as some lunatic conspiracy theory, and won't hear anything to the contrary. In fact, I see it as insulting to the people who worked their backsides off to deliver a solution to the virus in record time to act as though you, a crank on the internet, know better than those who spend their lives working in the field.

You haven't stumbled on some hidden secret flaw in world changing medicine, you're a moron on the internet.
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Just calling people a moron shows what a despicable view you have of other people, I guess you think you're a special and superior being. I certainly think there is an absence of humility in your character.
 
skybluetony176

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Captain Dart said:
I guess you think you're a special and superior
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You’re describing yourself there. You think you’re special and superior because you think everyone else has it wrong and you know better. Let’s face it, you take the contrary position based on the words of people with just enough experience to sound like they know what they’re talking about but don’t actually know enough simply because they’re not relevantly qualified. They print opinion pieces based on theories with holes in that haven’t been peer reviewed then present them as fact. You then take them as gospel so you can present them as reasoned arguments because it makes you feel special and superior, like you’ve got it all worked out and everyone else is stupid.
 
chiefdave

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Captain Dart said:
VAERS reports are made for suspected vaccine reactions only not for RTA's within a day of injection. 😁

It's massively under reported so is the UK Yellow Card system, for one thing it takes a lot of time to make a report which the medics don't have.
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are you sure all deaths recorded are found to have been caused by the vaccine because I've just googled it and everything I'm reading is saying the opposite. This is on VAERS own website.
VAERS accepts reports of adverse events that occur following vaccination. Anyone, including Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS even if they are not sure if the vaccine was the cause. In some situations, reporting to VAERS is required of healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers.

VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Reports to VAERS can also be biased. As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
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It seems to be the died with covid / died from covid argument all over again with those who were arguing that the covid numbers were being massively overstated because anyone who had covid when they died was being included now doing exactly the same with people dying after receiving a vaccine.

Stands to reason that if you've running a huge vaccination program more people who die will have had the vaccine.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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skybluetony176 said:
You’re describing yourself there. You think you’re special and superior because you think everyone else has it wrong and you know better. Let’s face it, you take the contrary position based on the words of people with just enough experience to sound like they know what they’re talking about but don’t actually know enough simply because they’re not relevantly qualified. They print opinion pieces based on theories with holes in that haven’t been peer reviewed then present them as fact. You then take them as gospel so you can present them as reasoned arguments because it makes you feel special and superior, like you’ve got it all worked out and everyone else is stupid.
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Bang on and more diplomatically put than he deserves.
 
Captain Dart

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chiefdave said:
are you sure all deaths recorded are found to have been caused by the vaccine because I've just googled it and everything I'm reading is saying the opposite. This is on VAERS own website.
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Sometimes they withdraw a report but overall VAERS isn't a good enough system to be sure what's happening. This is why Kennedy is supposed to be replacing VAERS with a better system and intends to use anonymised Medicare & Medicaid records as a basis for epidemiological studies. If he's wrong as most people on here seem to think then surely they'll show there are no problems?
 
chiefdave

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Captain Dart said:
Sometimes they withdraw a report but overall VAERS isn't a good enough system to be sure what's happening. This is why Kennedy is supposed to be replacing VAERS with a better system and intends to use anonymised Medicare & Medicaid records as a basis for epidemiological studies. If he's wrong as most people on here seem to think then surely they'll show there are no problems?
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I guess that would depend on the quality of the data, I know fuck all about Medicare & Medicaid record keeping so hopefully its better than the NHS where my results seem to routinely disappear before they reach my GP!

More accurate data is always welcome, hopefully it will be the raw data to allow for independent scrutiny rather than just present a conclusion.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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chiefdave said:
I guess that would depend on the quality of the data, I know fuck all about Medicare & Medicaid record keeping so hopefully its better than the NHS where my results seem to routinely disappear before they reach my GP!

More accurate data is always welcome, hopefully it will be the raw data to allow for independent scrutiny rather than just present a conclusion.
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I'm sure that a fellow anti vax, raw milk drinking crank like RFK will ensure a fully impartial and objective review of the data.
 
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