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Hertsccfc

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Againd, you're probably right, but at the moment there's only one POTUs funding genocide.
I'm really pissed off about all those dead women and kids, and those Hammas killed as well so would like some fucker to try and stop it.
So would I but believe me Trump isn't your man for this and he will cause unknown additional chaos.
 

Hertsccfc

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Unfortunately, it’s pretty much inevitable that Trump will end up president. I’d also expect him to try and change the constitution to stand for another four years.
It's not a matter of changing the constitution more getting rid if it as far as Trump is concerned. He's made no secret of his intention to become dictator but people seem not to be taking it seriously. He is serious.
 

CCFCSteve

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Mmm. It’s a bit of a blinkered view though Steve. You’re putting spend and only spend as a measurement of importance. Take Iceland for instance. No military force therefore no military spend yet NATO members. The reason is the strategical importance of Icelands location. So there’s more than one way to value membership other than how many $’s they’re spending. Something Trump will never understand.

Truth is our European neighbours, especially France have been our most important military allies for decades. Whose aircraft carriers did our planes operate from while we had none? France. Which country do we do more joint exercises with? France. The threat of Trump will ultimately mean the requirement of greater cooperation between European countries and that’s already started because of Putin. Yes they were slow to respond to Ukraine but they’ve improved massively despite Orbans best efforts.

Agree we need close co-operation with European countries, especially with France, who i mentioned above and have been the only larger European nation to take defence seriously. I also agree that if trump gets back in that will be even more important. I’m just questioning whether an EU army would be the right way to go, especially when EU nato members haven’t been paying their way, strategic location or not. That should be the No 1 priority

As I said previously, I don’t agree with the typically crass way trump put his point across but the underlying sentiment was correct.
 

Ian1779

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Inflation Reducrion Act stuff on clean energy production. Projected to be $800bn of green investment BTW which makes Labours Green policy of last week look like Labours Green policy of today.

He’s the most interventionist president of our lifetime FFS.
Every US president will continue to be a useless bastard until they deal with gun control properly.
Can’t even intervene to save the lives of US kids.
 

shmmeee

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Every US president will continue to be a useless bastard until they deal with gun control properly.
Can’t even intervene to save the lives of US kids.

Americas a fucked up place, they’ve lost abortion FFS, they’ve got this weirdly powerful religious right, I think not turning them into a socialist state four years after an attempted fascist coup is reasonable TBH.
 

Ian1779

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Americas a fucked up place, they’ve lost abortion FFS, they’ve got this weirdly powerful religious right, I think not turning them into a socialist state four years after an attempted fascist coup is reasonable TBH.
‘Continuing to set a low bar’ is quite the tagline for the 2024 run.
 

shmmeee

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‘Continuing to set a low bar’ is quite the tagline for the 2024 run.

I don’t think the most left wing president in a generation is a low bar just because he hasn’t fixed literally every social and political issue facing a country.
 

skybluetony176

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Agree we need close co-operation with European countries, especially with France, who i mentioned above and have been the only larger European nation to take defence seriously. I also agree that if trump gets back in that will be even more important. I’m just questioning whether an EU army would be the right way to go, especially when EU nato members haven’t been paying their way, strategic location or not. That should be the No 1 priority

As I said previously, I don’t agree with the typically crass way trump put his point across but the underlying sentiment was correct.
But as I say, blinkered. look a Spain for instance. Massive strategic importance in location as the entrance to the Med from the Atlantic so also the Wests entrance to the Black Sea, Suez Canal and the Red Sea. The US knows this, the US wanted Spain in NATO as much as anyone, the US has both a naval base and an Airbase in Spain. Spain also has massive strategic importance through its connections to South America. The US has always valued NATO members in more than monetary terms. Trump is a typical spoilt rich kid, knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. “We” really shouldn’t be indulging him in this nonsense.
 

Ian1779

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I don’t think the most left wing president in a generation is a low bar just because he hasn’t fixed literally every social and political issue facing a country.
Not sure anyone is saying he should fix every issue, but the most pressing issues of his tenure (Abortion, Gun Deaths) what has he done?
 

shmmeee

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Not sure anyone is saying he should fix every issue, but the most pressing issues of his tenure (Abortion, Gun Deaths) what has he done?

Abortion is a Supreme Court issue that Obama fucked up. Biden has done what little he can like suing states based on adjacent laws but there’s not huge amounts a federal government can do without Roe V Wade.

Gun control he’s trying to get assault weapons banned, high capacity magazines and bring in background checks but this isn’t exactly quick and easy.

What do you think Trump will do on these issues BTW?
 

CCFCSteve

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But as I say, blinkered. look a Spain for instance. Massive strategic importance in location as the entrance to the Med from the Atlantic so also the Wests entrance to the Black Sea, Suez Canal and the Red Sea. The US knows this, the US wanted Spain in NATO as much as anyone, the US has both a naval base and an Airbase in Spain. Spain also has massive strategic importance through its connections to South America. The US has always valued NATO members in more than monetary terms. Trump is a typical spoilt rich kid, knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. “We” really shouldn’t be indulging him in this nonsense.

It’s not about indulging anyone, it’s what the NATO members agreed in 2006:

‘In 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to defence spending to continue to ensure the Alliance's military readiness. This guideline also serves as an indicator of a country's political will to contribute to NATO's common defence efforts since the defence capacity of each member has an impact on the overall perception of the Alliance's credibility as a politico-military organisation’
 

skybluetony176

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It’s not about indulging anyone, it’s what the NATO members agreed in 2006:

‘In 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to defence spending to continue to ensure the Alliance's military readiness. This guideline also serves as an indicator of a country's political will to contribute to NATO's common defence efforts since the defence capacity of each member has an impact on the overall perception of the Alliance's credibility as a politico-military organisation’
It’s never been a problem until Trump. You’re indulging him. Not least is because Trumps angle is that the only reason that the US spending on military is so high is because other members is so low, which is just complete bollocks. The reason the US budget is so high is because it’s a super power with a massive nuclear arsenal. If anything the actual truth is the US needs NATO more than anyone else. It enables the US to behave like a superpower, not least because it allows its forces to be based around the world.
 

Como

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Abortion has always struck me as a no win situation.

So for those not aware the Supreme Court conformed this was a State call not a Federal issue.. For comparison think of it being like the EU, every Country has it own laws on this subject, there is no EU law..

And like the EU there is freedom of movement so it is a bit pointless. But good for Politics.

UK has restrictions, 22 weeks?, some US States have similar restrictions, some have more stringent restrictions, some have no restrictions. So you can go all the way to 9 months, well at least theoretically which strikes me as being a bit cringy.

My school had a shooting range, I suppose it was somehow connected with the CCF, I assume it does not now after Hungerford etc, times change. I nearly bought a shotgun, someone I knew used to go clay pigeon shooting, never actually went through with it but you need a safe, home inspection etc, seemed doable.

In the US to purchase a automatic weapon you need a $200.00 ATF tax stamp, pass a ATF background and find someone with a pre 1986 ban weapon that was registered by ATF. The prices usually are at least $15,000. The ones I have seen on sale have been a lot more than $15,000. And I am not aware that any have actually been used in shootings. So a red herring.

Another odd thing is silencers, encouraged in the UK but you need a special permit in the US.

Large capacity magazines are more a political issue, I always think of those revolver speed reloading competitions and of course the British Army in WW1 with a Lee Enfield and the mad minute, and yes the CCF had .303s and all I can remember about them is that they bruised your shoulder. A magazine is just a plastic box, I remember when they brought in restrictions you could buy then that had the limited capacity but by breaking off a plastic tab you could use its full capacity. Anyway I am sure you could print whatever you want now.,

As a kid on the way to Highfield Rd there was a Sports Shop we would walk by that sold guns, I wonder what the procedures were back then to buy one.

In the US I am sure the procedure varies by State so just the one i know, go to a Licensed Dealer, I assume you now fill the background check form in on a tablet but it used to be paper, wait until it is cleared which could be pretty quick or a few hours, I think they have 3 days max, hand over your Credit Card and job done.

There is a fee for a Background Check.

If you buy online, well here for example KYGUNCO, they send it to your dealer, and then you go through the normal process. The dealer charges a handling fee.

Concealed Carry Permit you have to do a class, some are minimalistic some are a weekend, then with that go to the local Cop shop fill another form in have your finger prints taken and wait a few days.

Hunting license another course, now both the above and the hunting license courses I am familiar with were very good, the Hunting one was half a day and you need to have studied a bit beforehand and a test at the end, it did include a quick trip to the range.
 

SBT

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So for those not aware the Supreme Court conformed this was a State call not a Federal issue.. For comparison think of it being like the EU, every Country has it own laws on this subject, there is no EU law..

And like the EU there is freedom of movement so it is a bit pointless. But good for Politics.

UK has restrictions, 22 weeks?, some US States have similar restrictions, some have more stringent restrictions, some have no restrictions. So you can go all the way to 9 months, well at least theoretically which strikes me as being a bit cringy.
The comparison with the EU is an odd one. Only the tiniest countries like San Marino and Andorra have abortion laws as restrictive as some US states now have, and the freedom of movement aspect is a complete irrelevance - no-one should have to travel hundreds of miles to have a potentially life-saving operation just because the place they live has banned it on ideological grounds. Maybe it’s easy for you to travel but I don’t think it’s a “pointless” distinction for many people in need of one.

“Cringy” is also a very weird choice of word to describe having no time limit restriction on abortion.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I think (hope!) Biden will win.

Trump is going to get more and more extreme through the rest of his campaign and I think he'll do or say something that will tip the undecideds over the edge to think 'that's a bit too much crazy even for me'.
I don't. I sadly think Trump will.

Quite a few groups who voted Biden last time have said they won't this time because they're so disappointed with how little has been done for them, especially Black and Hispanic voters. Even though Trump and the Republicans will be far worse it doesn't seem to matter to them.

Meanwhile the far-right, and seemingly anyone right of moderate Republican not only accept Trump's extreme rhetoric, they actually revel in it.

There are rumours that Trump's team is already putting into place measures whereby there would be an almost immediate purge of anyone in the White House who isn't a Trump loyalist. And we already know how he treats anyone, especially journalists, who criticise him and he will go after them. He's a fascist and the baying mob will cheer him. Then there's the tweet above about his potential plan for immigrant. Still, at least when particular groups have been targeted and ostracised in the past things have never turned out badly...
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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The difference with Trump is his support remains loyal
Trump is a changeable as a kid, BFF's today and enemies tomorrow.

He's loyal to you as long as you do everything he wants and take bullets for him. If he perceives even the slightest snub he will turn on you and throw you under the bus.
 

Como

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The comparison with the EU is an odd one. Only the tiniest countries like San Marino and Andorra have abortion laws as restrictive as some US states now have, and the freedom of movement aspect is a complete irrelevance - no-one should have to travel hundreds of miles to have a potentially life-saving operation just because the place they live has banned it on ideological grounds. Maybe it’s easy for you to travel but I don’t think it’s a “pointless” distinction for many people in need of one.

“Cringy” is also a very weird choice of word to describe having no time limit restriction on abortion.
 

NorthernWisdom

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Interesting intervention. Obviously can’t believe a word that comes out his mouth but trying to work out if he said it because he genuinely leans toward the frail/senile over the unstable nutcase or some kind of bluff.

Discourage people from voting for Biden if he's open about it!
 

fatso

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But as I say, blinkered. look a Spain for instance. Massive strategic importance in location as the entrance to the Med from the Atlantic so also the Wests entrance to the Black Sea, Suez Canal and the Red Sea. The US knows this, the US wanted Spain in NATO as much as anyone, the US has both a naval base and an Airbase in Spain. Spain also has massive strategic importance through its connections to South America. The US has always valued NATO members in more than monetary terms. Trump is a typical spoilt rich kid, knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. “We” really shouldn’t be indulging him in this nonsense.
The Med is fine while the UK has Gibraltar.
Which is the exact reason we won't give it back.
 

fatso

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Abortion has always struck me as a no win situation.

So for those not aware the Supreme Court conformed this was a State call not a Federal issue.. For comparison think of it being like the EU, every Country has it own laws on this subject, there is no EU law..

And like the EU there is freedom of movement so it is a bit pointless. But good for Politics.

UK has restrictions, 22 weeks?, some US States have similar restrictions, some have more stringent restrictions, some have no restrictions. So you can go all the way to 9 months, well at least theoretically which strikes me as being a bit cringy.

My school had a shooting range, I suppose it was somehow connected with the CCF, I assume it does not now after Hungerford etc, times change. I nearly bought a shotgun, someone I knew used to go clay pigeon shooting, never actually went through with it but you need a safe, home inspection etc, seemed doable.

In the US to purchase a automatic weapon you need a $200.00 ATF tax stamp, pass a ATF background and find someone with a pre 1986 ban weapon that was registered by ATF. The prices usually are at least $15,000. The ones I have seen on sale have been a lot more than $15,000. And I am not aware that any have actually been used in shootings. So a red herring.

Another odd thing is silencers, encouraged in the UK but you need a special permit in the US.

Large capacity magazines are more a political issue, I always think of those revolver speed reloading competitions and of course the British Army in WW1 with a Lee Enfield and the mad minute, and yes the CCF had .303s and all I can remember about them is that they bruised your shoulder. A magazine is just a plastic box, I remember when they brought in restrictions you could buy then that had the limited capacity but by breaking off a plastic tab you could use its full capacity. Anyway I am sure you could print whatever you want now.,

As a kid on the way to Highfield Rd there was a Sports Shop we would walk by that sold guns, I wonder what the procedures were back then to buy one.

In the US I am sure the procedure varies by State so just the one i know, go to a Licensed Dealer, I assume you now fill the background check form in on a tablet but it used to be paper, wait until it is cleared which could be pretty quick or a few hours, I think they have 3 days max, hand over your Credit Card and job done.

There is a fee for a Background Check.

If you buy online, well here for example KYGUNCO, they send it to your dealer, and then you go through the normal process. The dealer charges a handling fee.

Concealed Carry Permit you have to do a class, some are minimalistic some are a weekend, then with that go to the local Cop shop fill another form in have your finger prints taken and wait a few days.

Hunting license another course, now both the above and the hunting license courses I am familiar with were very good, the Hunting one was half a day and you need to have studied a bit beforehand and a test at the end, it did include a quick trip to the range.
All the courses, licenses and checks in the world won't reduce the un-registered guns that are on the streets, or the illegal weapons that come across the borders on a daily basis.

And nothing will stop a nutter going off his head and using his legally owned and fully licensed gun to commit mass shootings.
 

SBT

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All the courses, licenses and checks in the world won't reduce the un-registered guns that are on the streets, or the illegal weapons that come across the borders on a daily basis.

And nothing will stop a nutter going off his head and using his legally owned and fully licensed gun to commit mass shootings.
Except for all the times they did, in countries like ours, of course.
 

clint van damme

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Interesting intervention. Obviously can’t believe a word that comes out his mouth but trying to work out if he said it because he genuinely leans toward the frail/senile over the unstable nutcase or some kind of bluff.


Genuinely astonished you're asking, some posters I wouldn't be, but you I am.
 

clint van damme

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All the courses, licenses and checks in the world won't reduce the un-registered guns that are on the streets, or the illegal weapons that come across the borders on a daily basis.

And nothing will stop a nutter going off his head and using his legally owned and fully licensed gun to commit mass shootings.

Though there's only one country it happens in with frightening regularity. ...
 

CCFCSteve

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Genuinely astonished you're asking, some posters I wouldn't be, but you I am.

Sorry to disappoint : )

We all know historically he’s wanted trump in and possibly has some kind of hold or influence over him. However, by him talking up Biden does it make some Americans think ‘Putin, don’t like him but strong dictator who appears to have some respect for biden so maybe he’s not as doddery as I thought’ and therefore does it actually make some voters more likely to vote for Biden ?

Just found it strange
 

NorthernWisdom

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Sorry to disappoint : )

We all know historically he’s wanted trump in and possibly has some kind of hold or influence over him. However, by him talking up Biden does it make some Americans think ‘Putin, don’t like him but strong dictator who appears to have some respect for biden so maybe he’s not as doddery as I thought’ and therefore does it actually make some voters more likely to vote for Biden ?

Just found it strange
Nope, it makes them think 'the Commie likes the Commie, so we'd best vote in Trump to keep this great nation away from those leftists'.
 

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