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Yeah, I was reading over the weekend it’s one of the reasons Biden accelerated things recently ie well ahead of the midterms so it’s forgotten. I don’t think he expected this though

I’ve avoided the thread as it’s such a complex area. It’s difficult to find a 100% right or wrong in it all

I agree with a majority though, we should never have gone in, the objectives and end outcome were muddled at best. Just a message to Evo though (and your ex colleagues) it wasn’t a waste. We’ve had a decent period of lessened terrorism in the West and also many people in Afghanistan (especially women) were able to live more freely than they’ve ever done for a number of years.

It’s not ended how anyone would’ve wanted, a massive understatement I know ! it’s a fucking mess, but the efforts you all put in hopefully gave the Afghans a glimmer of what freedoms they could have. Whether enough of them currently want it enough, who knows, until then best we stay out of it other than take our fair share of refugees and Afghans at risk of persecution…I fear it might be too late for many though
He actually slowed things down. Under the terms of the Doha agreement negotiated and signed by Trump (which is what Biden is enacting) with the Taliban this should have happened in May of this year. That’s not to say that Biden shouldn’t have seen this unfolding and at least prepared better for the obvious outcome.
 

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He actually slowed things down. Under the terms of the Doha agreement negotiated and signed by Trump (which is what Biden is enacting) with the Taliban this should have happened in May of this year. That’s not to say that Biden shouldn’t have seen this unfolding and at least prepared better for the obvious outcome.
Yeah to say Biden accelerated this is basically factually bollocks

I'm not sure how easy it is to foresee an army that is 4 times the size of the Taliban with modern airpower folding with fighting.

I'm not sure how you can foresee the President running away and scuppering a 2 week cease fire?
 
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Yeah to say Biden accelerated this is basically factually bollocks

I'm not sure how easy it is to foresee an army that is 4 times the size of the Taliban with modern airpower folding with fighting.

I'm not sure how you can foresee the President running away and scuppering a 2 week cease fire?
Not compared to Trumps original exit date which has been mentioned several times was May but appears to have then rushed things through more recently ie I’m not sure there was much/any discussion around timing with allied forces. They’ve both got their prints all over this mess*.

I agree 100% about the Afgan army which cost billions to arm and train folding immediately which is why I said I don’t think Biden expected the speed of things unravelling and also that more of the country needs to maybe want longer term change…we can’t force it on them

*edit - as have a number of others !
 
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Not compared to Trumps original exit date which has been mentioned several times was May but appears to have then rushed things through more recently ie I’m not sure there was much/any discussion around timing with allied forces. They’ve both got their prints all over this mess*.

I agree 100% about the Afgan army which cost billions to arm and train folding immediately which is why I said I don’t think Biden expected the speed of things unravelling and also that more of the country needs to maybe want longer term change…we can’t force it on them

*edit - as have a number of others !
He's not accelerated this, his time table for US troops leaving as them leaving on the 31st of August. The reason it is like it is, is the Afghan Army running away.
 

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Yeah, I thought Bidens timetable was by early Sept (before 20th anniversary of 9/11) but troop withdrawal was accelerated. Googled and found articles confirming it US forces to withdraw from Afghanistan before Biden’s deadline

Interesting article in New York Times (from May)


Basically they continued with the accelerated withdrawal even though Taliban was advancing and breaching terms of the Trump agreement (probably not a surprise to anyone !). looking at the way it’s panned out, it probably hasn’t made a huge difference to the ultimate outcome ie as soon as US and allies withdrew, the taliban would take over but optically, the scrambling to get people out, putting many more people unnecessarily at risk, could’ve been managed a lot better.

The bigger and far more complex question is once in, whether they/we should’ve continued to stay at some level....potentially for years more. If so, why.
 

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Yeah, I thought Bidens timetable was by early Sept (before 20th anniversary of 9/11) but troop withdrawal was accelerated. Googled and found articles confirming it US forces to withdraw from Afghanistan before Biden’s deadline

Interesting article in New York Times (from May)


Basically they continued with the accelerated withdrawal even though Taliban was advancing and breaching terms of the Trump agreement (probably not a surprise to anyone !). Ultimately, looking at the way it’s panned out, it probably hasn’t made a huge difference is as soon as US and allies withdrew, the taliban taking over would've happened but optically, the scrambling to get people out could’ve been managed better.

The bigger and far more complex question is once in, whether they/we should’ve continued to stay at some level....potentially for years more. If so, why.
The deadline has been the end of August for a while. If you actually watched the press conference the US mission isn't over
 

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