Sky Blue Pete
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I think on balance that is the sad reality
I think on balance that is the sad realityOur response should have been to never get involved. It’s unfortunate for the Afghans but let’s not kid ourselves. The Chinese persecution of the Muslim community borders on genocide and we all turn a blind eye. This is a geographically unfortunate country - if we had never been involved - and we should never have been - we’ve lost wars in this hell hole for centuries - we’d be absolved from faux human rights Objections who now think more should go to war and die - let it go and let nature take its course - or invade China and Russia and not be selective on who we care about and who we don’t
Using Bidens logic from his speech this evening .
We could and should have left 10/15 years ago .
Ah well can't say no more
No idea what the solution is to be honest.so do I buy the ship has sailed. What is the solution - allow more troops to die for another 20 years - it’s gone and the whole of NATO supported this occupation
It's the bit that holds the precipitate.No idea what the solution is to be honest.
I doubt most Americans will still even remember this by the midterms, let alone the next presidential election.
Don't think so
No idea what the solution is to be honest.
Even CNN turning on Biden now. He's done.
I don’t think any foreign powers feared Trump mate. NK/Russia/China all bold as brass during his presidency. He was an isolationist, why would they fear him?
Last four presidents all to blame, trying to blame one or two just partisan politics TBH. Started by Bush, continued by Obama, fucked up by Trump and Biden. Whatever bit of the political spectrum you reside on there’s some blame for you there.
No idea what the solution is to be honest.
I really hope so. Unfortunately, I know people who see this type of policy as pandering to the lazy.come 2022 for better or worse these are the things that get remembered
I think the only given at the moment is that it’s only going to get worse before it gets better.Is the West finished as a self defined progressive force? Certainly the West's foreign policy post WW2 seems over.
What happens now? God only knows but we need leaders with vision and we don't appear to have any.
I fear that with all the threats facing us we may be heading for a rather rapid decline into a chaotic future.
Also worth pointing out that two thirds of American voters support bringing all troops home from both Afghanistan and Iraq. So don’t be surprised if Iraq follows. Maybe not before the Mid Terms or the next general election but unless the US voters change tact on this it’s potentially a vote winner.
that was the brutal reality of bidens speechIs the West finished as a self defined progressive force? Certainly the West's foreign policy post WW2 seems over.
What happens now? God only knows but we need leaders with vision and we don't appear to have any.
I fear that with all the threats facing us we may be heading for a rather rapid decline into a chaotic future.
In answer to your first question. No.Is the West finished as a self defined progressive force? Certainly the West's foreign policy post WW2 seems over.
What happens now? God only knows but we need leaders with vision and we don't appear to have any.
I fear that with all the threats facing us we may be heading for a rather rapid decline into a chaotic future.
I think they both feared and laughed at him in equal measure. They thought he was stupid but anyone that unpredictable and unable to take criticism of any kind is a potential danger.
I don't really give a shit if this is on Biden or Trump or whoever at the minute.
This is a massive tragedy and we should be doing whatever we can to get whoever wants to get out of there out. No we shouldn't have done it the first place, no we shouldn't have been there that long but now we have a duty of care for anybody who assisted us and will now be in danger because of that.
We've spent far too long electing people who give a shit about how this plays in the media or the polls and not people that will genuinely do the right thing. The whole bunch of them can fuck off.
Yeh I’d agree with that. What about the US…what other option did they have to go to war? Again genuine questionOur response should have been to never get involved. It’s unfortunate for the Afghans but let’s not kid ourselves. The Chinese persecution of the Muslim community borders on genocide and we all turn a blind eye. This is a geographically unfortunate country - if we had never been involved - and we should never have been - we’ve lost wars in this hell hole for centuries - we’d be absolved from faux human rights Objections who now think more should go to war and die - let it go and let nature take its course - or invade China and Russia and not be selective on who we care about and who we don’t
The UK needs to take its responsibility in terms of providing safe haven for refugees as a result of their actions.If they want acceptance by the international community and not to be a North Korea-esque pariah state then they will have to give some ground. We cannot and should not go invading every country that's run in a way of which we disapprove
Anyone explain why nearly everyone fleeing in this photo, is a man, when clearly it is going to be women most at risk from Taliban rule?
Wouldn't the Taliban be just as likely though to kill any relatives they found to be of an Afghani armed force officer?Merely a theory, but I’d expect that due to prevailing culture over there, Afghan men would have been more likely to have been assisting allied forces?
We both know the counter-argument that will be put forward there though don't we, that we will be letting some terrorists in.The UK needs to take its responsibility in terms of providing safe haven for refugees as a result of their actions.
We both know the counter-argument that will be put forward there though don't we, that we will be letting some terrorists in.
Wouldn't the Taliban be just as likely though to kill any relatives they found to be of an Afghani armed force officer?
Anyone explain why nearly everyone fleeing in this photo, is a man, when clearly it is going to be women most at risk from Taliban rule?
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I doubt most Americans will still even remember this by the midterms, let alone the next presidential election.
He actually slowed things down. Under the terms of the Doha agreement negotiated and signed by Trump (which is what Biden is enacting) with the Taliban this should have happened in May of this year. That’s not to say that Biden shouldn’t have seen this unfolding and at least prepared better for the obvious outcome.Yeah, I was reading over the weekend it’s one of the reasons Biden accelerated things recently ie well ahead of the midterms so it’s forgotten. I don’t think he expected this though
I’ve avoided the thread as it’s such a complex area. It’s difficult to find a 100% right or wrong in it all
I agree with a majority though, we should never have gone in, the objectives and end outcome were muddled at best. Just a message to Evo though (and your ex colleagues) it wasn’t a waste. We’ve had a decent period of lessened terrorism in the West and also many people in Afghanistan (especially women) were able to live more freely than they’ve ever done for a number of years.
It’s not ended how anyone would’ve wanted, a massive understatement I know ! it’s a fucking mess, but the efforts you all put in hopefully gave the Afghans a glimmer of what freedoms they could have. Whether enough of them currently want it enough, who knows, until then best we stay out of it other than take our fair share of refugees and Afghans at risk of persecution…I fear it might be too late for many though
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