clint van damme
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Yeah, it seems like a complete waste of time, money, resources and most importantly lives.
I can't see any way this doesn't now become a safe haven for Al Qaeeda, which was what all this was supposed to prevent.
to protect them and their families lives .
They also share many common values with their taliban brothers , many more than they do with their western allies .
Religion is so powerful too .
The whole thing is a farce you can't change a place with hundreds of years of values in 20 years .
The taliban now have Western equipment and potentially upto 2-300,000 Western trained troops at their disposal .
They are stronger than ever
We should never have gone to begin with
The taliban also control more of Afghanistan than they ever have before too
But apparently less centralised than before so even if the noises they're making about being more progressive are true (and I doubt anyone's buying it) it doesn't mean local leaders adhere to it though I'm sure you know more about their structure than me.
But apparently less centralised than before so even if the noises they're making about being more progressive are true (and I doubt anyone's buying it) it doesn't mean local leaders adhere to it though I'm sure you know more about their structure than me.
Thing is there’s no support anywhere on the right or left for it in America. The left are “anti-imperialist” and the right are isolationist. Biden wants to do a load of domestic stuff and is happy to let the rest hang.
Agree the real crime has been not getting allies out. It’s been on the cards for ages, to remove troops and leave them to fend for themselves to the extent they’re hanging on the side of fucking airliners is disgraceful.
Yep massive mistakes not to have done all this and then leave. Outrageous that will leave a stain on the last 20 yearsThing is there’s no support anywhere on the right or left for it in America. The left are “anti-imperialist” and the right are isolationist. Biden wants to do a load of domestic stuff and is happy to let the rest hang.
Agree the real crime has been not getting allies out. It’s been on the cards for ages, to remove troops and leave them to fend for themselves to the extent they’re hanging on the side of fucking airliners is disgraceful.
I think most people are disturbed and quite upset at the way it's been handled ...Irrespective of who is to blame
It's almost like a realisation from everybody that it was all for nothing , and that's where the anger begins.
Unfortunately for Biden, he's the man in charge
Sadly yepit was for nothing
it was for nothing
Thanks evoExactly , and for people like me who went there ..spent time away from loved ones , got in life threatening engagements and worrying if you'd be ok , it hits home harder because we risked so much for fuck all
Most my mates are fucked up in one way or another .. it's tragic
Thanks evo
Exactly , and for people like me who went there ..spent time away from loved ones , got in life threatening engagements and worrying if you'd be ok , it hits home harder because we risked so much for fuck all
Most my mates are fucked up in one way or another .. it's tragic
Yep I think I’m probably a pacifist but I’m absolutely grateful for others who put their lives on the lineNot all fuck all mate. You almost certainly extended if not saved some lives and gave people hope. Thanks for your service.
Blair needs to fuck off under a rock and stay there.I'm going to swing this now but has Blair said anything at all on this , from the moment the idea was first floated ,he tends to have views about all the other big items.
Blair needs to fuck off under a rock and stay there.
Or we could do what we do to others and put him on trial for war crimes
We may well do , when he's 90
Blair needs to fuck off under a rock and stay there.
Thanks for your service Evo, truly gratefulI spent 6 months in Afghanistan, I got out because I didn't want to go back .
I have friends who did 3/4 tours , spending 18 months to 2 years there ..
Then some who went back to Iraq to do security work afterwards
2 have committed suicide
I was far too young to understand the situation properly when September 11th happened and subsequent Afghan war started. From research though and reading up on it over the years, the seeds for this mess seemed to have been planted back during the soviet occupation and funding of the taliban via Pakistan.Youd out every leader In Europe in trial - Merkle sent 150,000 troops there. Always the way. The brave leaders sent people to war and remain alive and without a stain - we should never have agreed as allied forces to take part in this nonsense and certainly should now withdraw and never be involved again.
He still hasn’t answered as to that David Kelly death either I still don’t believe it was suicide,bet we won’t see him now after the fall of Afghan!!Blair needs to fuck off under a rock and stay there.
I was far too young to understand the situation properly when September 11th happened and subsequent Afghan war started. From research though and reading up on it over the years, the seeds for this mess seemed to have been planted back during the soviet occupation and funding of the taliban via Pakistan.
What do you think should’ve been the response after 9/11 though? Generally interested because I don’t know as much as others. I do recall reading that the taliban had offered up Bin Laden if he could be tried in a neutral location a few times but the US rejected any kind of conditional offer. Maybe could’ve taken up on one of those.
Or, just tighten security and stay well away?
The only strategy I wanted to see was the not going in the first place.So you agree with a withdrawal strategy? Guess how many polish troops served there?
The only strategy I wanted to see was the not going in the first place.
Even CNN turning on Biden now. He's done.
This one act of withdrawal by Biden will define his presidency and finish him in the US
Don't think soI doubt most Americans will still even remember this by the midterms, let alone the next presidential election.
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