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clint van damme

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It doesn't just hurt the "big boys" and could endanger more jobs.

It's madness to try and raise any taxes in a recession as you are just going to reduce demand in the middle of a demand shock.
It's corporation tax though, it's only on profit.
It also goes against the first of his pledges so that's another one he's reneging on.
I'm really struggling to see a coherent strategy here.
Is it let the government get on with it in a pandemic or is it oppose them?

If it's oppose them why is it don't say too much when they've been found guilty in court but speak out against them implementing something you pledged to do a year ago?
 

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It's corporation tax though, it's only on profit.
It also goes against the first of his pledges so that's another one he's reneging on.
I'm really struggling to see a coherent strategy here.
Is it let the government get on with it in a pandemic or is it oppose them?

If it's oppose them why is it don't say too much when they've been found guilty in court but speak out against them implementing something you pledged to do a year ago?
Yes but businesses when their profits drop reduce costs and the first cost they reduce is wage bills.

It's text book paradox of thrift

There will be a time to look at CT but as has been stated already it's not wise to raise any tax in a recession dur to the demand reduction it will create.
 

clint van damme

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Yes but businesses when their profits drop reduce costs and the first cost they reduce is wage bills.

It's text book paradox of thrift

There will be a time to look at CT but as has been stated already it's not wise to raise any tax in a recession dur to the demand reduction it will create.
I can see the logic behind this as a stand alone argument what I can't see is the logic behind fighting this battle but not the court case battle last week.

He's also going to have to rejig his pledges otherwise even that useless twat Johnson will be weaponising it against him.
 

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This is coming across as a Corbynista/Starmastan back your guy no matter what thing.

@shmmeee @David O'Day as you two are both seemingly very pro Starmer are there any areas where you think he's been weak so far and you'd like to see improvements?

@clint van damme anywhere you feel he's doing well?
 

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This is coming across as a Corbynista/Starmastan back your guy no matter what thing.

@shmmeee @David O'Day as you two are both seemingly very pro Starmer are there any areas where you think he's been weak so far and you'd like to see improvements?
General presentation is weak, he has the pleading Labour eyes all the soft left have.

Party management has been clunky even if I generally agree with most of the decisions.

Cannabis policy is straight out of the 1980s.

He’s missed a couple of open goals, but far less than Corbyn did. Hes a bog standard Labour MP, but there isn’t anyone better and his job is the same as Kinnocks. Also Biden was bog standard and there’s a fair argument people want normality post the last few years.
 

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This is coming across as a Corbynista/Starmastan back your guy no matter what thing.

@shmmeee @David O'Day as you two are both seemingly very pro Starmer are there any areas where you think he's been weak so far and you'd like to see improvements?

@clint van damme anywhere you feel he's doing well?
It's nothing to do with Corbyn. Yes I supported him but he's gone. Sick of hearing about him to be honest.

Where is Starmer doing well?
Ten pledges were great, unfortunately he's already pissed on 4 of them.

Good leadership to purge the left, it means he's replaced some people I like with people I don't but it was as massive failing of Corbyn not to be as ruthless.
Unfortunately he's shown no signs of such aggression with the Tories.
 

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My biggest issue with his leadership at the moment is that I feel he doesn’t have the ideas for the radical approach that will be needed in a post Cov-ID world. I saw John McDonnell on Sky this morning talking about how UBI isn’t so much of a leap from where we’ve been with furlough. McDonnell knows his stuff, is a good orator (the kind lacking from Kier’s shadow cabinet and even G was impressed by him at one point I remember) - is it really necessary to ostracise him like some kind of pariah when he could be helping to shape a progressive financial policy - even if it is from the shadows. Time to look forward - we seem to be in 2010-15 Groundhog Day situation right now.

Positives - as much as I don’t like it personally, going on things like LBC is a good move. That’s where you got to get your message out, but he should be more assertive on it.
 
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My biggest issue with his leadership at the moment is that I feel he doesn’t have the ideas for the radical approach that will be needed in a post Cov-ID world. I saw John McDonnell on Sky this morning talking about how UBI isn’t so much of a leap from where we’ve been with furlough. McDonnell knows his stuff, is a good orator (the kind lacking from Kier’s shadow cabinet and even G was impressed by him at one point I remember) - is it really necessary to ostracise him like some kind of pariah when he could be helping to shape a progressive financial policy - even if it is from the shadows. Time to look forward - we seem to be in 2010-15 Groundhog Day situation right now.

Positives - as much as I don’t like it personally, going on things like LBC is a good move. That’s where you got to get your message out, but he should be more assertive on it.
good points about LBC, and the way he got caught out by the far right plant just proves your point. Sometimes just call a spade a spade and if it means you get called a bit 'woke', surely as Labour leader that' better than pussy footing around a neo nazi for fear of upsetting them.
He's going to have to stop worrying about what the right wing MSM say about him at some point. The even attack Johnson sometimes, it goes with the territory.
 

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This shows the mountain to climb

tbh the main aim should be get the Conservatives a small majority, so they look a fractured government. Obviously they can't say that... and Corbyn did that hard work, only to lose it all after!
 

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tbh the main aim should be get the Conservatives a small majority, so they look a fractured government. Obviously they can't say that... and Corbyn did that hard work, only to lose it all after!
Tories should be pushing for Scottish independence
 

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It's pretty quiet on here regarding Biden's Syria activity.
Doesn’t Trump hold the record for dropping the most bombs in a single term in office?
Besides, are you seriously telling me if it had have been British personnel that had been attacked we wouldn’t have retaliated having identified where the attackers are?
 

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Doesn’t Trump hold the record for dropping the most bombs in a single term in office?
Besides, are you seriously telling me if it had have been British personnel that had been attacked we wouldn’t have retaliated having identified where the attackers are?
Hahahaha.

If this was Trump you would be all over it, not trying to wash up some shitty justification.
 
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Hahahaha.

If this was Trump you would be all over it, not trying to wash up some shitty justification.
Well. I didn’t for the last four years so you’re not even remotely close. Although you have made a very good fist of doing exactly what you’re trying to accuse me of. Not said anything about Trumps bombing campaigns but straight on it when Biden orders a strike.
 

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Hahahaha.

If this was Trump you would be all over it, not trying to wash up some shitty justification.
The point of Biden wasn’t to make everything perfect. I’d imagine for most of the left Biden is pretty far particularly in terms of foreign policy from what they’d want.

The Point of Biden was to be better and frankly less dangerous than Trump. He is.

The kids in cages still sucks, the bombing the ME still sucks. I’d guess most on here would rather it was Bernie, but there we are. Politics is the language of compromise.
 

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The point of Biden wasn’t to make everything perfect. I’d imagine for most of the left Biden is pretty far particularly in terms of foreign policy from what they’d want.

The Point of Biden was to be better and frankly less dangerous than Trump. He is.

The kids in cages still sucks, the bombing the ME still sucks. I’d guess most on here would rather it was Bernie, but there we are. Politics is the language of compromise.
they're all psychos internationally, Trump was a psycho domestically though as well.
I've not had a lot great to say about Biden throughout this thread but I'm convinced he'll be a massive improvement on Trump, though the bar is about as low as it gets.
 

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Well. I didn’t for the last four years so you’re not even remotely close. Although you have made a very good fist of doing exactly what you’re trying to accuse me of. Not said anything about Trumps bombing campaigns but straight on it when Biden orders a strike.
I don't care for either Trump or Biden.

I just think the double standards lose you credibility.
 

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I don't care for either Trump or Biden.

I just think the double standards lose you credibility.
what double standards? Do you think people have to come on every time something happens? Especially when it's hardly a surprise.

Where are the pro Trump posters commenting on this weekends story about the Kashoggi murder?

Where are the Brexiteers on the EU thread commentating about the state of the fishing industry? They were on it when the EU fucked up on vaccinations.
Where are the tory voters on the Covid thread commenting on last weeks court ruling against Hancock, they're on there commenting on how well the vaccination roll out is going.

Is it double standards or is it unrealistic to think people constantly comment on everything relevant to a thread.
 
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A bit Like how you’re dead against it ‘but had it been Trump‘ you’d be all for it.
Thee problem is once a war is in progress getting out of it isn't easy. The attack on the US personnel was a test to see what he'd do so it's not quite as simple as just backing the actions of your favourite candidate.
The test for Biden will be if he can not start any new conflicts which to be fair to Trump he didn't.
 

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Thee problem is once a war is in progress getting out of it isn't easy. The attack on the US personnel was a test to see what he'd do so it's not quite as simple as just backing the actions of your favourite candidate.
The test for Biden will be if he can not start any new conflicts which to be fair to Trump he didn't.
If Trump had have been faced with the rise of a caliphate like IS he’d have been involved in a new conflict. He’d have to have been, it’s as simple as that. Trump faced decisions in his opening months just like Biden has, in fact IIRC Trump responded by dropping the most powerful bomb in history aside from the 2 nuclear bombs that were dropped on Japan. As you say some of it is organisations testing a new regime and the same commentators now saying look he’s starting new wars, would have been accusing him of being a weak president had he done nothing. Total straw man argument.
 

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they're all psychos internationally, Trump was a psycho domestically though as well.
I've not had a lot great to say about Biden throughout this thread but I'm convinced he'll be a massive improvement on Trump, though the bar is about as low as it gets.
For me the climate is the big thing. Trump was a conspiracy theorist who likely didn’t even believe in climate change and if he did would never understand it. The states can really push forwards on things like renewables and electric transport now. And then everyone can start putting pressure on China.

I don't care for either Trump or Biden.

I just think the double standards lose you credibility.
You obviously do hence bringing up standard US foreign policy as some kind of gotcha against the man that replaced him.
 
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For me the climate is the big thing. Trump was a conspiracy theorist who likely didn’t even believe in climate change and if he did would never understand it. The states can really push forwards on things like renewables and electric transport now. And then everyone can start putting pressure on China.



You obviously do hence bringing up standard US foreign policy as some kind of gotcha against the man that replaced him.
I know politics is all about opinions but I can't see how anyone could watch what went on during the election and at Capitol Hill and not think, get that maniac out of the Whitehouse.
 
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Interesting piece on military action in Trumps first year
Some doozies in there. Trump bombed as many countries in 8 months as Obama managed in 8 years, every conflict he inherited ramped up under Trump meaning an increase of 31% in the foreign fighting budget, bombed Somalia more in one year than George W and Obama did combined over 4 terms, dropped the Mother of all Bombs for the first time even though it had been in the arsenal since 2003 etc etc.
 

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Just checked. The first military action approved under Trump was the ill fated Raid of Yakla on the 29/01/2017 in Yemen. US military tried to get Obama to approve the raid the previous year and he (wisely as it turned out) wouldn’t approve it.
 

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I don't care for either Trump or Biden.

I just think the double standards lose you credibility.
I love how you have to couch it with a cop-out intro like “Oh, I don’t like anyone involved I’m just asking questions hehe”

What would be wrong with just admitting you prefer Trump to Biden? Plenty of people feel the same!
 

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The funniest thing about this Biden military action is the amount of Trump supporters in MSM and elsewhere trying to use this to gain some sort of moral high ground for Trump by saying “see, we told you Biden was a war monger whereas Trump was a bastion of piece”. Because once they make this claim the problem is that actually the facts contradict them. Both in terms of how quickly both presidents authorised their first military action but also just how much Trump did in his first 12 months in number of countries, number of actions, number of bombs dropped etc etc.
Anyone wanting to take the Trump moral high ground really should choose their battles better because in terms of military action you have to go back to Regan to find anyone who gives Trump a run for his money. And we’ve had 2 new wars in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan since then. Considering he was supposed to be a piece time president, holy shit he was hungry for a fight.
 

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Anyone wanting to take the Trump moral high ground really should choose their battles better because in terms of military action you have to go back to Regan to find anyone who gives Trump a run for his money. And we’ve had 2 new wars in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan since then. Considering he was supposed to be a piece time president, holy shit he was hungry for a fight.
.....huh? This is lunacy.