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  • Thread starter We'll_live_and_die
  • Start date May 15, 2023
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Deity

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,631
shmmeee said:
You’re the one making claims (Doug has spent significantly) it’s on you to provide the evidence.

The most likely scenario is he took the club off Joy for nothing because it was haemorrhaging money, had a finance deal on the off chance he could snipe the stadium, and has so far spent what we’ve earned in sales.
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Given Sisu declined various offers from Hoffman for the club I think it’s highly unlikely Sisu simply walked away and gifted it to King. They could have sold Vik, Hamer, Sheaf etc in the Jan then walked away if that had been their plan.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,632
Jan is normally a bit of shit one when looking for players.

I'd go for a high quality loan in CM. There must be someone rattling about that a top 10 team had kept on cause they were on the cusp of breaking into the first team...

Not signing that Charlie Patino looks an oversight at this point.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,633
Deity said:
Given Sisu declined various offers from Hoffman for the club I think it’s highly unlikely Sisu simply walked away and gifted it to King. They could have sold Vik, Hamer, Sheaf etc in the Jan then walked away if that had been their plan.
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What offers though? I honestly think Joy needed out and got taken in by the ZZ Top member energy drink man whose name I’ve forgotten, then got left high and dry and turned to someone close by.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,634
shmmeee said:
What offers though? I honestly think Joy needed out and got taken in by the ZZ Top member energy drink man whose name I’ve forgotten, then got left high and dry and turned to someone close by.
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We still taking negative on the stuff from Better days?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,635
Deity said:
It doesn’t matter whether king paid £25m, £50m or simply wrote off money owed to him by SUSU from another transaction. So far he has tried to drive more ambition and higher standards into the club. He’s been open and accessible …. Not something many owners are and not something our previous owners were.

It is too early to judge the success of our summer transfers. If they are underperforming this time next year then you can judge but most were not proven championship players and will need time to adapt. Yes that is frustrating but it’s also a fact of life.

The price we paid for them also needs to be seen in the context of a hugely inflated transfer market. Look at what we sold Vik and Hamer for. In most seasons a champ club doesn’t get £35m for any 2 players with so little left on their contract.
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It’s odd that Robins is regarded as one of our best managers of all time yet it was SISU who brought him to the club and Fisher who persuaded him to return a second time…if King is held in such high esteem, SISU and Fisher should be as well?
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,636
I’m with Shmmeee here. Whatever was publicised I just have a gut feeling not much cash changed hands between Doug and Joy.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,637
wingy said:
We still taking negative on the stuff from Better days?
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Remind me
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,638
Sick Boy said:
It’s odd that Robins is regarded as one of our best managers of all time yet it was SISU who brought him to the club and Fisher who persuaded him to return a second time…if King is held in such high esteem, SISU and Fisher should be as well?
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“You complain about me stealing £1000 off you, but who gave you £900? Eh? Eh?”
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,639
shmmeee said:
Remind me
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He's a Ashley shill?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,640
wingy said:
He's a Ashley shill?
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Extremely unlikely I’d say. BD afaik lost his inside knowledge with Jones leaving didn’t he?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,641
wingy said:
He's a Ashley shill?
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He's a very subtle one if he is.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,642
Deleted member 5849 said:
He's a very subtle one if he is.
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Apart from the late bid to purchase the stadium I'd agree.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,643
shmmeee said:
Extremely unlikely I’d say. BD afaik lost his inside knowledge with Jones leaving didn’t he?
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This was a wider knowledge than coming from the club.
 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,644
shmmeee said:
You’re the one making claims (Doug has spent significantly) it’s on you to provide the evidence.

The most likely scenario is he took the club off Joy for nothing because it was haemorrhaging money, had a finance deal on the off chance he could snipe the stadium, and has so far spent what we’ve earned in sales.
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So clearly you are making unsubstantiated claims.

I'm sure that the shares were worthless because the club was technically insolvent. The value to Sisu was DK paying off the six debentures in favour of Arvo Master Fund Limited, which is information in the public domain:

COVENTRY CITY FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED charges - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

COVENTRY CITY FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,645
shmmeee said:
What offers though? I honestly think Joy needed out and got taken in by the ZZ Top member energy drink man whose name I’ve forgotten, then got left high and dry and turned to someone close by.
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Based on what business logic ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,646
Does anyone actually believe the bid to buy the ground was serious?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,647
Sick Boy said:
Does anyone actually believe the bid to buy the ground was serious?
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Yet Mr said the best option to reunify it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,648
wingy said:
Yet Mr said the best option to reunify it.
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It's the most worrying thing about his tenure, that it was an afterthought and seems to have taken him by surprise.

What it isn't, is any justification that he's at all involved with Ashley. Apply the Sherlock Holmes principle, and ask why Ashley would need to turn it into some kind of Scooby Doo adventure!
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,649
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's the most worrying thing about his tenure, that it was an afterthought and seems to have taken him by surprise.

What it isn't, is any justification that he's at all involved with Ashley. Apply the Sherlock Holmes principle, and ask why Ashley would need to turn it into some kind of Scooby Doo adventure!
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I'm not advocating anything, just a source who picked it up from a football whatever who seemed to suggest it was a widely held opinion in the game?
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,650
Deity said:
Based on what business logic ?
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“I have no money and this business is costing me millions a year”
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 7, 2023
  • #7,651
Sick Boy said:
Does anyone actually believe the bid to buy the ground was serious?
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As serious as when I applied to work for Google Waymo
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,652
shmmeee said:
“I have no money and this business is costing me millions a year”
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They would have waited until Jan, sold our best assets and then executed that plan ….
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,653
Deity said:
Given Sisu declined various offers from Hoffman for the club I think it’s highly unlikely Sisu simply walked away and gifted it to King. They could have sold Vik, Hamer, Sheaf etc in the Jan then walked away if that had been their plan.
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Do you mean the infamous Dale Evans bid?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,654
shmmeee said:
This is my worry. He’s come in, not taken advice generally (see ticket debacle etc), and seems to think he knows best. Which makes me worried about how he’s been negotiating with experienced Chairmen.
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Negotiated very good outgoing deals and at least some of the incoming ones we were able to lower the initial fee by persuading clubs we’ll be in promotion challenges. With how it’s gone pear shaped since, the January window will be a much bigger test for him.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,655
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Negotiated very good outgoing deals and at least some of the incoming ones we were able to lower the initial fee by persuading clubs we’ll be in promotion challenges. With how it’s gone pear shaped since, the January window will be a much bigger test for him.
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The Hamer deal fell on his lap, and if Bik does go for €100m in Jan was £20m a great price?
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,656
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Negotiated very good outgoing deals and at least some of the incoming ones we were able to lower the initial fee by persuading clubs we’ll be in promotion challenges. With how it’s gone pear shaped since, the January window will be a much bigger test for him.
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You take a very short term opinion if you genuinely believe ‘it’s all gone pear shaped’. The expectations outlined by MR and DK is that it’s a 5 year plan. We’ve signed younger players who are contacted for the next 3-5 years.

We’ve had to gut the team by 16-17 players if you include loanees and on top of that replace two players that were too good for the Championship. We need 2-3 windows to build back.

It could all end in tears, but passing judgement this early into a process is misguided.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,657
Mucca Mad Boys said:
You take a very short term opinion if you genuinely believe ‘it’s all gone pear shaped’. The expectations outlined by MR and DK is that it’s a 5 year plan. We’ve signed younger players who are contacted for the next 3-5 years.

We’ve had to gut the team by 16-17 players if you include loanees and on top of that replace two players that were too good for the Championship. We need 2-3 windows to build back.

It could all end in tears, but passing judgement this early into a process is misguided.
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I think people are still reeling from the play-off letdown (Probably because that was our best shot even though we’d have been as bad as the others that went up). Plus a lot of people backed the club and quite rightly expect something resembling a good team on match day. It was always sold as a five year project.
 

Boicey

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,658
Mucca Mad Boys said:
You take a very short term opinion if you genuinely believe ‘it’s all gone pear shaped’. The expectations outlined by MR and DK is that it’s a 5 year plan. We’ve signed younger players who are contacted for the next 3-5 years.

We’ve had to gut the team by 16-17 players if you include loanees and on top of that replace two players that were too good for the Championship. We need 2-3 windows to build back.

It could all end in tears, but passing judgement this early into a process is misguided.
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It’s also part of the plan to be challenging for the playoffs every year…..
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,659
shmmeee said:
The Hamer deal fell on his lap, and if Bik does go for €100m in Jan was £20m a great price?
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It was for a Championship club with him in the last year in his contract.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2023
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was for a Championship club with him in the last year in his contract.
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Maybe. But let’s be honest it wasn’t exactly getting cash for Borrowdale was it?
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,661
shmmeee said:
What offers though? I honestly think Joy needed out and got taken in by the ZZ Top member energy drink man whose name I’ve forgotten, then got left high and dry and turned to someone close by.
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Speaking of which

 
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Greggs

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,662
shmmeee said:
The Hamer deal fell on his lap, and if Bik does go for €100m in Jan was £20m a great price?
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I agree, but it was the 1 year left that fucked us.
 
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hill83

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,663
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Speaking of which

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shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,664
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Speaking of which

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Last minute stocking filler?

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SBAndy

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  • Dec 8, 2023
  • #7,665
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Speaking of which

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This response sums it up nicely:

 
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