Transfer Shouts

[edgy]

And people talking about us not being able to afford a players wages as if they are going to expect their current wage for the rest of their career, even if they are in decline or in need of a fresh start.

That's my main gripe!

Trying to sign a free agent.

"We can't afford his wages"

"What wages?"

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

nothing more then just a name but IF vik was to go, what about trying to go for Josh Maja

It's the salary bit - was on 90,000 euros a month at Bordeaux before returning to England, so on circa 20k a week at least?

 

[Samo]

That's my main gripe!

Trying to sign a free agent.

"We can't afford his wages"

"What wages?"

It does my head in!
Is Gareth Bale going to expect his next club to pay what Real were paying him?

 

[fatso]

Hull City have put a bid in of £3m for Scott Twine. Strong statement of intent from them.

We could do that, IF we'd agreed to sell one of our assets for more than £3m after securing a replacement first.

Eg, we buy Twine today for £3m, and sell O'hare tomorrow for £4m
That would be seen as normal business, hardly a statement of anything.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Cut it down to 50% then. Still results in £4.6m (or £90k per week) extra on the wage budget at the peak.

Again, appreciate there’s other elements such as signing on bonuses, possible transfer fees, contract extensions, etc. Though you’d hope that the only contract extensions would be for those who carry value.

As previously shown with Kelly, Allen, Godden that isn't the case. But hopefully with them having more in available funds, the club won't feel so inclined to retain players that have zero sell-on value.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

We could do that, IF we'd agreed to sell one of our assets for more than £3m after securing a replacement first.

Eg, we buy Twine today for £3m, and sell O'hare tomorrow for £4m
That would be seen as normal business, hardly a statement of anything.

They haven’t sold anybody of note to my knowledge?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

We could do that, IF we'd agreed to sell one of our assets for more than £3m after securing a replacement first.

Eg, we buy Twine today for £3m, and sell O'hare tomorrow for £4m
That would be seen as normal business, hardly a statement of anything.

I hope to god you don't run a business.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

That's my main gripe!

Trying to sign a free agent.

"We can't afford his wages"

"What wages?"

That's the problem with signing players at our level. Any players coveted by more than one team will (unless they are a 'fan' of the club) head for the highest pay day. To get the most bang for your buck, you really need to latch on to lower league up and coming youngsters, who are off the radar (easier said than done). Risky, but financially a better route than throwing money away in a bidding war for mercenary players. Having seen what we have done over the last few seasons, I will trust MR and co.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Culpin was before that

Nick Pickering and Dean Emerson?

Did Emerson join once the season started after a LC game against Rotherham? Pickering signed for Don McKay the season before (just looked it up), but Dave Philips signed that summer too.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Same as people talking about transfer fees and wages as if they come out of different pots

That should just be called the playing budget.


Although in our case that includes shops and paint and grass and police.

 

[slyblue57]

Definitely.

We should be looking to sell Hamer and replace with 4 players of similar quality though. Not 1 player and deal with it as has been alluded to.

4 players of similar quality…. if only, Hamer is a very very good player and we can just find 4 more of him thru one transfer, Champions League in a couple of seasons then.
Pusb

 

[fatso]

I hope to god you don't run a business.

I'm just pointing out that just because someone bids a serious amount for a player, it doesn't make it a statement.

I thought that was obvious, didn't think I'd have to explain it

 

[fatso]

They haven’t sold anybody of note to my knowledge?

Yet!

 

[Samo]

4 players of similar quality…. if only, Hamer is a very very good player and we can just find 4 more of him thru one transfer, Champions League in a couple of seasons then.
Pusb

I think he was just suggesting that if we can pick up Hamer, O'Hare, Vik and Sheaf for relative peanuts, there are plenty more like them we could pick up.

 

[SBAndy]

As previously shown with Kelly, Allen, Godden that isn't the case. But hopefully with them having more in available funds, the club won't feel so inclined to retain players that have zero sell-on value.

Different conversation entirely! Not that I don’t like the players mentioned, but it baffles me some of the contracts we’re handing out.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Hull City have put a bid in of £3m for Scott Twine. Strong statement of intent from them.

It is though I suppose it depends what they do with Lewis-Potter

 

[shmmeee]

Personally, with how we operate - i.e. SISU's only form of investment being short-term high-interest loans - I think our wage bill can realistically only be constructed mainly from consistent sources of income. E.g. Commercial and ticketing revenue, TV money, F&B and sponsorship.

If we get ourselves into a situation of using received transfer fees as a basis from which to establish a wage budget then that's more likely than not to land us in hot water as there's far too many uncertainties and irregularities in football to rely on transfer fees as a consistent source of income and to subsidise a growing wage bill.

In theory with enough financial discipline you could pay ahead though.

Numbers from my ass:

Let’s say we’re at max right now. Sell Hamer for say £8m, free up his wages, plus £8m. Let’s say he’s on £15k. Take £10k for his replacement, £5k to keep Vik happy, then take £1.5m from the fee to cover a £10k player for the next three years, leaving is £6.5m for fees/handbags.

If we don’t sell another player ever, that £1.5m runs out and the player leaves. Club is no worse off.

 

[Liquid Gold]

4 players of similar quality…. if only, Hamer is a very very good player and we can just find 4 more of him thru one transfer, Champions League in a couple of seasons then.
Pusb

He was €1.5m and nobody else seemed to be interested in him. We should be able to do that again.

 

[mark82]

Yet!

They've got new investment, so can probably do it without. Wouldn't surprise me if they sold Keane Lewis-Potter though.

 

[lord_garrincha]

Leeds receiving numerous offers from clubs for Phillips potentially a bidding war could increase our fee for Hamer

More chance that we will sell them Michael Rose for Van Dijk money.

 

[SkyBlueSam01]

Let’s say we’re at max right now

Biamou isn't coming back get over it

 

[Deity]

Part of the reason we have this fan divide over what Sisu should or should not do is because we don’t understand their exit strategy.

Despite the rhetoric I don’t think anybody believes that Sisu will invest tens of millions in a new stadium and shopping complex.

without a stadium the club doesn’t have many assets. Maybe they hope to exploit the recent decline in Wasps financial stability to buy the stadium back. if we knew that then many of us would accept player sales if it funded such a transaction.

It might be that Sisu think that selling the big 3 with marginal reinvestment in the playing squad will make a very material dent in the money they are owed and would then allow them to sell City for a more realistic valuation. If that was the case many of us would accept that.

We can also see that they don’t plan to further invest even a small amount to optimise City’s chances of promotion. They had the opportunity in January but declined to do so.

We do know for certain that VC’s don’t hold assets for ever so they will have a plan to sell. We will probably never know the plan until it’s executed and therefore we will continue to be divided over how are owners behave during each transfer window.

 

[lordy_87]

They should be gambling on getting us to the prem, it's now or never really with robins in charge cos when he goes we'll drop like a sack of shit.

And no, I'm not talking putting players on 30k a week and spending ridiculous sums or doing a Derby. Just sensible investment into young players with potential and resell value that we can then buy other players with. The sounds coming out of the ITKs indicate that even if we sell Hamer for say £6m plus robins won't get anything and that is very worrying.

 

[Deity]

They should be gambling on getting us to the prem, it's now or never really with robins in charge cos when he goes we'll drop like a sack of shit.

And no, I'm not talking putting players on 30k a week and spending ridiculous sums or doing a Derby. Just sensible investment into young players with potential and resell value that we can then buy other players with. The sounds coming out of the ITKs indicate that even if we sell Hamer for say £6m plus robins won't get anything and that is very worrying.

That’s not gambling that is called having an Investment plan. That’s exactly what they should have.

 

[skyblu3sk]

Transfer fees received are unlikely going to enhance our ability to increase our wage bill, not significantly anyway.

As that's completely unsustainable and one sure way for the club to bankrupt itself.

No it isn't if you budget in a specific way spreading the transfer fee across multiple years ensuring you don't spent it it's absolutely fine.

 

[lordy_87]

That’s not gambling that is called having an Investment plan. That’s exactly what they should have.

But it would seem they don't if any of the fees we may receive aren't reinvested.

 

[SAJ]

I don't think its a matter of keeping the big 3, more of a concern on what sort of budget Robins will get to reinvest, if some people on here are to be believed it will be very little

Of course they all know exactly what he will and won’t be given more than anyone within the club.
Eternally pessimistic fans, we have it every season.
Generally as a player goes we bring someone in. We have been told what the model is for years now and still the pessimists say it will only go to Joy for another handbag. There is little evidence to suggest once someone is sold SISU take all the money. Robins has said on numerous occasions he is happy with the model.
As a manager he’s in a fantastic position, he’s highly unlikely to get sacked, even if we fail to perform. As a manager he is possibly one of a very few that have some sort of certainty over his future. Most managers are less than 10 matches from the sack.
For the past few seasons we have spent money buying players and not just relying on loans and free transfers. Those we are buying, we buy with the intent of developing then selling and repeating.
While SISU continue to support him in that model he is likely to stay. He sees this as a long term project yet for many they can’t get their head round this.
Short term the only way I can see him going is if a Premiership team comes in for him. Highly unlikely as he’s not foreign or a big name. He know he best way to the Premiership is the build the club his way. May take quite a few years but it’s on his terms:

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I think next season is a big one for the club, in terms of how we get on and maintaining the feelgood factor. The last few seasons - from the Checkatrade onwards, have seen a reengagement between club and fans. It is important that the positivity continues within the fanbase. Last season was one of the best I can ever remember in terms of sustained atmospheres at matches. That adds so much to the matchday experience as a supporter. If we have those sort of games on a loop for the next few seasons I will be happy as a fan (of course I want success with that too).

 

[slowpoke]

I’m banking on a hunch that MRs meeting with Sepalla a month or so ago and then signing a contract extension was a result of a bit of positivity from Joy, Robins has a bit of clout but also I reckon realistic, certain he would have outlined his plans and ideas and costed them to her, let’s wait and see what occurs don’t put too much on missing out on JCS London boy, London club, probably sorted in his head weeks ago.

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

I’m banking on a hunch that MRs meeting with Sepalla a month or so ago and then signing a contract extension was a result of a bit of positivity from Joy, Robins has a bit of clout but also I reckon realistic, certain he would have outlined his plans and ideas and costed them to her, let’s wait and see what occurs don’t put too much on missing out on JCS London boy, London club, probably sorted in his head weeks ago.

Yes but even if it was sorted in his head weeks ago , robins and co will have still thought they had a chance until A couple of days ago , whereas now it turns out he was just stringing us along - so it would’ve been a slight setback to recruitment etc

 

[slowpoke]

Not at all concerned about JCS he was obvious speculation because of his association last season, We will never know but I reckon Robins knew the out come ages ago good player but no Bobby Moore, certain there will be other irons in the fire.

 

[Matt smith]

Not at all concerned about JCS he was obvious speculation because of his association last season, We will never know but I reckon Robins knew the out come ages ago good player but no Bobby Moore, certain there will be other irons in the fire.

Need some positivity very soon

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

He was €1.5m and nobody else seemed to be interested in him. We should be able to do that again.

So, why isn’t everyone signing the next big thing for €1.5m given it’s so easy we should be able to do it again? Seems a very simple investment. Spend 4x €1.5m and sell for €10m each. Hopefully no other fans read this forum or they’ll be on to it


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[Liquid Gold]

So, why isn’t everyone signing the next big thing for €1.5m given it’s so easy we should be able to do it again? Seems a very simple investment. Spend 4x €1.5m and sell for €10m each. Hopefully no other fans read this forum or they’ll be on to it


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Because they run outdated models based on the manager picking up players he’s heard of instead of having data analysts highlight targets that are outside of normal targets.

Exactly the same as Liverpool being smart and highlighting Robertson to get from Hull relatively cheaply and United being idiots and waiting for Leicester to have a go on Maguire and over inflate his market before getting him.

If you want to look at a championship example then Brentford were able to develop players they picked up undervalued and sell for larger fees to invest in more undervalued players.

Next time you ask a stupid question try not to be such a snarky twat.

 

[Tea & Busquets]

Hull City have put a bid in of £3m for Scott Twine. Strong statement of intent from them.

that’s that turkish money coming into play.