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Nick

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,876
Grendel said:
yes Robins comments imply there may be no signings now and only another loan

Wilson has a contract extension and could be as number 1 next season
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Didn't he say 3 or 4?
 

shepardo01

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,877
Nick said:
Didn't he say 3 or 4?
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Two, hopefully three.. said in after match interview on CWR yesterday. Didn't say what type of deals they would be, but did say how hard the January window was.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,878
Will probably be ‘1, hopefully 2’ in a mad rush after the Huddersfield game.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,879
Nick said:
Didn't he say 3 or 4?
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he said 2 maybe 3 but hard to make permanent transfers as clubs want silly money
 

Skyblue_CP

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,880
There’s clearly no more money to be spent than what we have had previously. We’ve brought 2 raw unproven loans in and shipped 2 high earners out. It may well be a tough window but there is players out there to be had. I.e Jamal Lowe. In reality the money isn’t there and we can’t compete with 95% of this division when it come to transfers/contracts.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,881
Skyblue_CP said:
There’s clearly no more money to be spent than what we have had previously. We’ve brought 2 raw unproven loans in and shipped 2 high earners out. It may well be a tough window but there is players out there to be had. I.e Jamal Lowe. In reality the money isn’t there and we can’t compete with 95% of this division when it come to transfers/contracts.
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MR was fairly clear that players/agents (and I'm guessing this may be referencing Paterson) have been asking for silly money as they think we're awash with cash. Whatever our financial position, I'd rather we spend it wisely, than spunk it all in desperation, when better use can be made of the budget next summer. Sooner have a hungry player than a greedy one (unless it's Messi. in which case I'd sanction Julian Gray's sale)
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,882
Sky Blue Harry H said:
MR was fairly clear that players/agents (and I'm guessing this may be referencing Paterson) have been asking for silly money as they think we're awash with cash. Whatever our financial position, I'd rather we spend it wisely, than spunk it all in desperation, when better use can be made of the budget next summer. Sooner have a hungry player than a greedy one (unless it's Messi. in which case I'd sanction Julian Gray's sale)
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why on earth would anyone believe we are awash with cash?
 
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fatso

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,883
Sky Blue Harry H said:
MR was fairly clear that players/agents (and I'm guessing this may be referencing Paterson) have been asking for silly money as they think we're awash with cash. Whatever our financial position, I'd rather we spend it wisely, than spunk it all in desperation, when better use can be made of the budget next summer. Sooner have a hungry player than a greedy one (unless it's Messi. in which case I'd sanction Julian Gray's sale)
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One or two agents may get a reality check when the window is about to close, and decide to grav what's on offer.
In the case of Paterson, he's not even in the match day squad at the moment so if he doesn't get a move now he will become the forgotten man by the end of the season.
And he ain't getting any younger.
 
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JonesBob

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,884
MR is not exactly going to say it is easy to get players in, is he? Granted he has to put up with a plethora of substandard journalists but who has got his signing correct for the past few years? He will bring in a few signings, not loans, just wait and see.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,885
Grendel said:
why on earth would anyone believe we are awash with cash?
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Only quoting MR....
 
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junglej13

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,886
See where we are come the end of the window. Clubs and players expectations come down pretty rapidly. The Championship still sees some ridiculous money stupidly spent. I don't want to see us start doing the same.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,887
stupot07 said:
The most pressing question was why did Robins play a left back completely out of position in a free role??

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Wingback to AM isn’t some crazy move. We had Maatsen just last season do the same.
 
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rexo87

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,888
Need to chill a bit. Long as we keep Vik in this window we will stay up. Robins knows this and knows that play offs are unachievable. Much better to hold off with signings until summer when players are more widely available. Need to remember we have Fadz, Eccles, Godden and Walker back in the next 2 weeks as well. Worst thing we can do is panic buy a few players on 2/3 year contracts and then have those wages on the books when we don't want them

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skybluereeve

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,889
We have to forget this season as a play off push. I’m worried looking. Behind us at or present.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,890
skybluereeve said:
I’m worried looking
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Avoid mirrors. I find it helps as the years pass by
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2023
  • #7,891
Jim Brown put something interesting on Twitter about our January signings for the last ten years and basically they’ve all been garbage.
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,892
I know we were linked in the past...

 

Grendel

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,893
shmmeee said:
Jim Brown put something interesting on Twitter about our January signings for the last ten years and basically they’ve all been garbage.
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Bidwell?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,894
Grendel said:
Bidwell?
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He was about the only exception but I don’t think Brown rates him. Having looked if you ignore loans I’d argue you have to go back to 09/10 when we signed Carl Baker and Richard Wood for the last time we got a player in who improved the first team at the time.
 
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junglej13

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,895
skyblue93 said:
I know we were linked in the past...

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Have always suspected he may end up being Gyokeres replacement
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,896
shmmeee said:
He was about the only exception but I don’t think Brown rates him. Having looked if you ignore loans I’d argue you have to go back to 09/10 when we signed Carl Baker and Richard Wood for the last time we got a player in who improved the first team at the time.
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Leon Clarke
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,897
shmmeee said:
He was about the only exception but I don’t think Brown rates him. Having looked if you ignore loans I’d argue you have to go back to 09/10 when we signed Carl Baker and Richard Wood for the last time we got a player in who improved the first team at the time.
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January is a pig of a window to recruit in. The fact the club often tries to source cheap additions doesn't help matters - certainly not when clubs really have to pay premium to bring in anyone even half decent.

I think there in lies the issue.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,898
Grendel said:
Leon Clarke
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He was on loan before like Chaplin so I didn’t count him but yep
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,899
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
January is a pig of a window to recruit in. The fact the club often tries to source cheap additions doesn't help matters - certainly not when clubs really have to pay premium to bring in anyone even half decent.

I think there in lies the issue.
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It doesn’t help that the parachute clubs or those with silly owners will just buy up talent for a couple of mill and stockpile them either. Panzo at Forest last season could have been ours, never played a game for them really. The CB from Oxford that went to Burnley would have been a good shout, same situation. Twine as well. You’d hope the player would realise they’ve a better chance of establishing themselves here but they’re gonna believe the bullshit and back themselves to get into the side and if not have a fat wage.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,900
shmmeee said:
It doesn’t help that the parachute clubs or those with silly owners will just buy up talent for a couple of mill and stockpile them either. Panzo at Forest last season could have been ours, never played a game for them really. The CB from Oxford that went to Burnley would have been a good shout, same situation. Twine as well. You’d hope the player would realise they’ve a better chance of establishing themselves here but they’re gonna believe the bullshit and back themselves to get into the side and if not have a fat wage.
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The biggest issue with the window is that it's a window of panic.

The stockpiling worsens (see Bournemouth last Jan), the fees get bigger and the competition heightens. You rarely ever get what you pay for.

I see why Robins hates it. It must be horrendous to recruit in as the club must consistently get gazumped - far more than usual.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,901
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
The biggest issue with the window is that it's a window of panic.

The stockpiling worsens (see Bournemouth last Jan), the fees get bigger and the competition heightens. You rarely ever get what you pay for.

I see why Robins hates it. It must be horrendous to recruit in as the club must consistently get gazumped - far more than usual.
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The only winners are teams selling really.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,902
shmmeee said:
The only winners are teams selling really.
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Yes, but only to an extent.

As more often than not such clubs have to wait until the summer to replace as a decent replacement would come at a premium in January - largely because a) the club/s of their target/s knows the selling club has just received a significant fee to utilise for a replacement and b) the club/s of their target/s will know full well that if they sell, then they themselves will struggle to find a replacement in line with their budget.

It's a vicious cycle.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,903
shmmeee said:
The only winners are teams selling really.
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Apart from CCFC under SISU who have somehow managed to still be in a weakened bargaining position forced into selling players in January (Leon Best, Jutkiewicz, Madison, McCallum)
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,904
fernandopartridge said:
Apart from CCFC under SISU who have somehow managed to still be in a weakened bargaining position forced into selling players in January (Leon Best, Jutkiewicz, Madison, McCallum)
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Gyokeres. 20 million please. Nothing less. We‘lol need to double his pay just to increase his contract. We did ok out of the Bayliss sale? Did he go mid season?
 
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Deity

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,905
fernandopartridge said:
Apart from CCFC under SISU who have somehow managed to still be in a weakened bargaining position forced into selling players in January (Leon Best, Jutkiewicz, Madison, McCallum)
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I used to have that view but history doesn’t support it. With the exception of Maddison ( and none of us know what we have got for him in total ) most other players didn’t go on to increase their value.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,906
Deity said:
I used to have that view but history doesn’t support it. With the exception of Maddison ( and none of us know what we have got for him in total ) most other players didn’t go on to increase their value.
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Not sure that's relevant to the point I'm making which is not about the fee received as such but the inability of CCFC to turn down a deal altogether
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,907
shmmeee said:
It doesn’t help that the parachute clubs or those with silly owners will just buy up talent for a couple of mill and stockpile them either. Panzo at Forest last season could have been ours, never played a game for them really. The CB from Oxford that went to Burnley would have been a good shout, same situation. Twine as well. You’d hope the player would realise they’ve a better chance of establishing themselves here but they’re gonna believe the bullshit and back themselves to get into the side and if not have a fat wage.
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Squad limits. It's the only way to stop the stockpiling.

And I don't mean caveated limits like U21's don't count or if a player came through the academy. A straight up limit of 40 players on professional contracts at any club. If you're at that limit you have to sell or de-register a player before another can be added. If you de-register them they're automatically a free agent.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,908
See that Blackpool have signed Charlie Goode (6' 5" centre half) from Brentford on loan. He's someone I would have thought could have done a job for us.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,909
Sky Blue Harry H said:
See that Blackpool have signed Charlie Goode (6' 5" centre half) from Brentford on loan. He's someone I would have thought could have done a job for us.
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Possibly would have done if our recruitment team hadn't left for Blackpool with their database of players....
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jan 23, 2023
  • #7,910
Watford just signed a striker from Benfica....
 
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