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Westendlad

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #701
Grendel said:
Given the excellent work by Sarah Campion as an example clearly yes
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Good on her but she only spoke out about a year ago. What about before that ?
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #702
Grendel said:
Why is it sickening they are two peas in a pod
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One wants to destroy western life the other wants to protect it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #703
Westendlad said:
Which press ? Link please.
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They’ve been put on here a dozen times already. Even his own legal team acknowledge on his behalf that he’d got knowledge about the case in what had been covered in the press. They’re admitting that he’s pulling the wool over the eyes of his believers when they repeat his mantra that he’s doing some sort of public service that the press won’t. Something that’s been pointed out dozens of times on here (mainly by CD) with numerous links. He’s a poor mans David Blain (Robinson that is not CD) who tricks people into believing that he’s doing something he isn’t.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #704
torchomatic said:
View attachment 10282

Poor old Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
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They probably wouldn’t have let him have a TV on health and safety grounds as it clearly would have been a trip hazard. Given that he only had a mattress and nothing else so there was nowhere to safely put it. You would have thought that a bed frame or a cupboard to put a TV on would have been top of his priority. Unless the only a mattress story is bullshit. Which of course it was.
 
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Westendlad

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #705
skybluetony176 said:
They’ve been put on here a dozen times already. Even his own legal team acknowledge on his behalf that he’d got knowledge about the case in what had been covered in the press. They’re admitting that he’s pulling the wool over the eyes of his believers when they repeat his mantra that he’s doing some sort of public service that the press won’t. Something that’s been pointed out dozens of times on here (mainly by CD) with numerous links. He’s a poor mans David Blain (Robinson that is not CD) who tricks people into believing that he’s doing something he isn’t.
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No i meant the link from all the national papers or tv news on the case TR was reporting on before it was on social media after he was arrested.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #706
Grendel said:
Given the excellent work by Sarah Campion as an example clearly yes
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Her work on this subject has been incredible and credible, even bringing in changes in the law to make it easier for child offenders to be convicted. I’d think your average Robinson follower hasn’t even heard of her.
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #707
skybluetony176 said:
Her work on this subject has been incredible and credible, even bringing in changes in the law to make it easier for child offenders to be convicted. I’d think your average Robinson follower hasn’t even heard of her.
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I was about to 'like' until your last sentence of drivel..
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #708
Westendlad said:
Good on her but she only spoke out about a year ago. What about before that ?
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Ha ha ha. She’s brought about a change in the law in 2014 to make it easier to convict child sex offenders aimed at stopping them before a physical act even occurs, she was heavily involved in the Rotherham scandal in exposing it and she’s been working with Bernardo’s for years on the subject. She’s done more to tackle child sex offenders before she has breakfast than Tommy Robinson will do in his whole lifetime. Muslim grooming gangs or otherwise. If you’re looking for a hero in this you should be looking at her.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #709
Westendlad said:
Yours would read.....I'm such a boring chap please give me book on how to be less boring'.
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It wouldn't. I'm not a racist who would be locked up in prison whilst being hero worshipped by other thick racists.

I do like a good book though so you're spot on there. You should learn to read. You'd love it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #710
Westendlad said:
I was about to 'like' until your last sentence of drivel..
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Hardly drivel. You’ve proven me 100% correct with your she only just spoke out about it in the last year line. You’ve probably never heard of Andrew Norfolk, Julie Bindel or Jane Senior either. All people who have been pivotal in bringing grooming gangs to the notice of the world while Tommy Robinson was probably still a BNP member being convicted for mortgage fraud. People who again do more to expose these gangs and protect children before breakfast than Tommy Robinson will achieve in a lifetime.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #711
Westendlad said:
No i meant the link from all the national papers or tv news on the case TR was reporting on before it was on social media after he was arrested.
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So was I. It was covered right up until the press blackout was called when the trials were started to ensure that the convictions were safe. It was covered plenty. I put links up and so did Dave. Tommy Robinson only showed an interest once the media ban was called. At which point he pretended that he’s doing some sort of public service exposing something that the media won’t cover. That’s why it’s a con trick, that’s why he’s a poor mans David Blain and that’s why he’s full of shit. His legal team has even just confirmed it. You carry on believing him but it’s a stupid man who carries on believing a con artist even when the con artist confesses to the con.
 
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Westendlad

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #712
skybluetony176 said:
So was I. It was covered right up until the press blackout was called when the trials were started to ensure that the convictions were safe. It was covered plenty. I put links up and so did Dave. Tommy Robinson only showed an interest once the media ban was called. At which point he pretended that he’s doing some sort of public service exposing something that the media won’t cover. That’s why it’s a con trick, that’s why he’s a poor mans David Blain and that’s why he’s full of shit. His legal team has even just confirmed it. You carry on believing him but it’s a stupid man who carries on believing a con artist even when the con artist confesses to the con.
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Tony. Your new name is 'wiki man'........That is what i shall call you from now on
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #713
torchomatic said:
It wouldn't. I'm not a racist who would be locked up in prison whilst being hero worshipped by other thick racists.

I do like a good book though so you're spot on there. You should learn to read. You'd love it.
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I rest my case.................
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 3, 2018
  • #714
Westendlad said:
Tony. Your new name is 'wiki man'........That is what i shall call you from now on
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I actually know most of it from reading the work of Andrew Norfolk on occasion over the years. Wiki has nothing to do with it, although it’s more accurate, reliable and credible than Tommy Robinson’s version of events if you actually want to educate yourself on the subject. Tommy Robinson has contributed nothing to the subject, helped any victims or exposed any perpetrators ever. He’s a con man and even self confessed to that con.
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #715
skybluetony176 said:
They’ve been put on here a dozen times already. Even his own legal team acknowledge on his behalf that he’d got knowledge about the case in what had been covered in the press. They’re admitting that he’s pulling the wool over the eyes of his believers when they repeat his mantra that he’s doing some sort of public service that the press won’t. Something that’s been pointed out dozens of times on here (mainly by CD) with numerous links. He’s a poor mans David Blain (Robinson that is not CD) who tricks people into believing that he’s doing something he isn’t.
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Still no links wiki man...
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #716
Westendlad said:
Which press ? Link please.
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I provided you the links the last time you asked the same question in this thread. Take a look at post #98.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #717
Westendlad said:
Which press ? Link please.
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Or did you mean a link to him using the fact that the names were already public, and therefore negating the argument he needed to somehow expose a cover up, in his defence of the contempt charge?
Counsel suggested that in referring to the defendants and the charges, the appellant had been reading from a local newspaper report, still freely available online, which predated the reporting restriction, and which identified the defendants and the charges they faced.
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https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/yaxley-lennon-full-judgment-1.pdf
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #718
Westendlad said:
Hand on heart. Were you aware of the Pakistani grooming gangs before Robinson exposed them ?
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This question has been asked numerous times in the thread but never answered. Can you name a single case that Robinson has been the first to 'expose'?
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #719
chiefdave said:
This question has been asked numerous times in the thread but never answered. Can you name a single case that Robinson has been the first to 'expose'?
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Its a stuck record. That is the standard come back when trying to defend the. indefensible.
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #720
It gets better.
 

CovInEssex

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #721
Tbf If i was banged up 22 hours a day I'd say anything to get a TV haha, who wouldn't?
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #722
torchomatic said:
It gets better.View attachment 10285
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And people think he's not a racist....
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #723
Where are people getting a breakdown of prison population based on religion for individual prisons?

I can't even find any reliable data for the prison population overall.

The official government figures show religion isn't recorded for over 40% of prisoners and we know, and have discussed at length in the past, that studies show muslim prisoners are far more likely to have their religion recorded making figures with such a large unrecorded element useless.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #724
chiefdave said:
Where are people getting a breakdown of prison population based on religion for individual prisons?

I can't even find any reliable data for the prison population overall.

The official government figures show religion isn't recorded for over 40% of prisoners and we know, and have discussed at length in the past, that studies show muslim prisoners are far more likely to have their religion recorded making figures with such a large unrecorded element useless.
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The information is out there. I searched it out when the original 70% Muslim nonsense was being spouted. The 30% is about right. Even then that’s people who identify as Muslim, not necessarily a practicing Muslim. The number attending prayer is far lower, about 10% if I remember correctly.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #725
chiefdave said:
Where are people getting a breakdown of prison population based on religion for individual prisons?

I can't even find any reliable data for the prison population overall.

The official government figures show religion isn't recorded for over 40% of prisoners and we know, and have discussed at length in the past, that studies show muslim prisoners are far more likely to have their religion recorded making figures with such a large unrecorded element useless.
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Must try harder..

Found by googling "parliament research prison population religion" etc.

UK Prison Population Statistics - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament



Terrorism in Great Britain: the statistics - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #726
Captain Dart said:
Must try harder..

Found by googling "parliament research prison population religion" etc.
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Those reports are government reports compiled from the MoJ figures I referenced above. When people have looked in greater detail to try and ascertain why Muslims were over represented it was found that muslim was often being recorded as religion without asking the prissier in question but based on their ethnicity. They also found that people that non muslims were a lot less likely to have their religion recorded. When the raw data is flawed anything you build on that data will also be flawed.

Saying that the 15% could be correct. It would mean if Robinson was in a prison for those from his area, Luton, which has a Muslim population of 25% according to the last census compared to 4% nationwide then that prison having a Muslim population of around 30% would be statistically consistent and therefore not some deliberate ploy by the government to put him in danger.
 

singers_pore

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #727
chiefdave said:
Those reports are government reports compiled from the MoJ figures I referenced above. When people have looked in greater detail to try and ascertain why Muslims were over represented it was found that muslim was often being recorded as religion without asking the prissier in question but based on their ethnicity. They also found that people that non muslims were a lot less likely to have their religion recorded. When the raw data is flawed anything you build on that data will also be flawed.

Saying that the 15% could be correct. It would mean if Robinson was in a prison for those from his area, Luton, which has a Muslim population of 25% according to the last census compared to 4% nationwide then that prison having a Muslim population of around 30% would be statistically consistent and therefore not some deliberate ploy by the government to put him in danger.
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You are claiming the statistics are flawed. Where’s your evidence? Any links to academic research that has investigated whether the data are reliable?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #728
chiefdave said:
Saying that the 15% could be correct. It would mean if Robinson was in a prison for those from his area, Luton, which has a Muslim population of 25% according to the last census compared to 4% nationwide then that prison having a Muslim population of around 30% would be statistically consistent and therefore not some deliberate ploy by the government to put him in danger.
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To be fair it would only be statistically consistent if prison populations directly reflect society proportionately
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #729
chiefdave said:
Where are people getting a breakdown of prison population based on religion for individual prisons?

I can't even find any reliable data for the prison population overall.

The official government figures show religion isn't recorded for over 40% of prisoners and we know, and have discussed at length in the past, that studies show muslim prisoners are far more likely to have their religion recorded making figures with such a large unrecorded element useless.
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chiefdave said:
Those reports are government reports compiled from the MoJ figures I referenced above. When people have looked in greater detail to try and ascertain why Muslims were over represented it was found that muslim was often being recorded as religion without asking the prissier in question but based on their ethnicity. They also found that people that non muslims were a lot less likely to have their religion recorded. When the raw data is flawed anything you build on that data will also be flawed.

Saying that the 15% could be correct. It would mean if Robinson was in a prison for those from his area, Luton, which has a Muslim population of 25% according to the last census compared to 4% nationwide then that prison having a Muslim population of around 30% would be statistically consistent and therefore not some deliberate ploy by the government to put him in danger.
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And straight away we have an apologist, denying official figures are true.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #730
singers_pore said:
You are claiming the statistics are flawed. Where’s your evidence? Any links to academic research that has investigated whether the data are reliable?
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This was discussed in detail the last time these figures were used on here and from memory there were three studies done that showed the raw data to be unreliable due to collection method or in many cases lack of collection.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #731
Captain Dart said:
And straight away we have an apologist, denying official figures are true.
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I'm not denying they are true, i'm querying the collection methodology, as those with many years experience with statistics have done.

The figure for muslim could well be correct but with so much of the data missing how an anyone confidently draw any conclusion from it? The thing that would make me inclined to believe the muslim figure is in the right ballpark is that if you compare it to the percentage of muslims in the general population; percentage of muslims in deprived areas and increased crime levels in deprived areas it seems plausible.

Anyway what I was actually after was a link to the breakdown of each UK prison by religion.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #732
What does the percentage of Muslims in the prison be went to matter? He comes from a town with a massively high population of Muslims.

He's already been found out as lying about things to exaggerate it or just straight up lie.
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #733
Nick said:
What does the percentage of Muslims in the prison be went to matter? He comes from a town with a massively high population of Muslims.

He's already been found out as lying about things to exaggerate it or just straight up lie.
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I promised myself i wouldn't bother with this thread today but seriously Nick...Why would it matter ? And whats he lied about ?
 

Westendlad

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  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #734
chiefdave said:
I provided you the links the last time you asked the same question in this thread. Take a look at post #98.
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3 out of 4 were Yorkshire papers ( Personally i don't read Yorkshire papers) and 1 was the Daily Mail ONLINE........I asked for links on the national news and papers.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 4, 2018
  • #735
Westendlad said:
I promised myself i wouldn't bother with this thread today but seriously Nick...Why would it matter ? And whats he lied about ?
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Exactly, why is it all being made about Muslims and trying to torture him?

He's lied about only a mattress, he's lied about a mosque, he's lied about it being Muslim run. He's making a massive deal about things people said to him in the, things that are said day in, day out.

Haven't checked what he's said the last couple of days.
 
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