The Ricoh (3 Viewers)

Deleted member 2477 · Jun 10, 2020

Interesting post on the wasps forum regarding any deal aoround us returning to the ricoh.
Most agree that the current situation needs changing for the good of both clubs however they seem to think that we should basically be charged a lot more for the use of the ground a long with the seats should be changed to wasps colours and rugby fixtures should take priority whilst admitting that they need us more than we need them at this time and wasps have been hit hard financially whilst we are on the up.

i think they dont quit understand the term negotiation and our city
DrunkenWasps.com - Do we want Cov FC back at the wasps nest next season?

Sick Boy · Jun 10, 2020

marcusp said:
Interesting post on the wasps forum regarding any deal aoround us returning to the ricoh.
Most agree that the current situation needs changing for the good of both clubs however they seem to think that we should basically be charged a lot more for the use of the ground a long with the seats should be changed to wasps colours and rugby fixtures should take priority whilst admitting that they need us more than we need them at this time and wasps have been hit hard financially whilst we are on the up.

i think they dont quit understand the term negotiation and our city
DrunkenWasps.com - Do we want Cov FC back at the wasps nest next season?

Genuinely hope they go out of business, disgusting club and fans.

Kingokings204 · Jun 10, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Genuinely hope they go out of business, disgusting club and fans.

I agree. However we would be silly to not negotiate and get a deal that benefits us. We have hit some sort of bigtime here and 2 promotions in 3 years with a manager we trust more than any other.
It’s time to move on and make hay while the sun shines.
Obviously if wasps are being dicks then fine but I would think during these times they want to talk and talk fast I would suggest.

Magwitch · Jun 10, 2020

I don’t get too involved with the Ricoh issue as it just seems to go round and round in circles with the same mantra but reading the relevant Wasps thread above thouroughly illustrates to me the potential risks to not having our own ground.
I’m now more seriously believing we need our own stadium so we need to know a plan first where, then how and then when is that too difficult ?

Skyblueweeman · Jun 10, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Genuinely hope they go out of business, disgusting club and fans.

Apart from the genuine fans in London.

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The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

marcusp said:
Interesting post on the wasps forum regarding any deal aoround us returning to the ricoh.
Most agree that the current situation needs changing for the good of both clubs however they seem to think that we should basically be charged a lot more for the use of the ground a long with the seats should be changed to wasps colours and rugby fixtures should take priority whilst admitting that they need us more than we need them at this time and wasps have been hit hard financially whilst we are on the up.

i think they dont quit understand the term negotiation and our city
DrunkenWasps.com - Do we want Cov FC back at the wasps nest next season?

Instead of bringing up yet another wasps debate why dont you lean on our owners about this new ground they promised 7 years ago and have started dribbling on about it again in the last 18 months. All our problems about a home would be solved if they put their money where their mouths were.

Tommo1993 · Jun 10, 2020

I’m sure Wasps will be itching to make contact. Don’t think they can afford to play hard to get. We need to also not walk into a trap.

What a lovely predicament all this and the past has made! Not.

jordan210 · Jun 10, 2020

So many wasps fan do not understand the situation. I keep seeing we cant do anything until CCFC drop the legals.

What legals the issue is your club and the indemnity

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

jordan210 said:
So many wasps fan do not understand the situation. I keep seeing we cant do anything until CCFC drop the legals.

What legals the issue is your club and the indemnity

But there would of been no indemnity if sisu wouldn't have run off to the eu court. We need our own ground simple as. Why wont the owners build?

Tommo1993 · Jun 10, 2020

Why the indemnity if they claim to have done nothing wrong?

robbiekeane · Jun 10, 2020

marcusp said:
Interesting post on the wasps forum regarding any deal aoround us returning to the ricoh.
Most agree that the current situation needs changing for the good of both clubs however they seem to think that we should basically be charged a lot more for the use of the ground a long with the seats should be changed to wasps colours and rugby fixtures should take priority whilst admitting that they need us more than we need them at this time and wasps have been hit hard financially whilst we are on the up.

i think they dont quit understand the term negotiation and our city
DrunkenWasps.com - Do we want Cov FC back at the wasps nest next season?

Reading that made me cringe, what a bunch of toffs. Definitely think they’re something special. I hope they go bust or build our own stadium, however unlikely that may be

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

Tommo1993 said:
Why the indemnity if they claim to have done nothing wrong?

Havent a clue. Maybe its extra security just incase sisu were to find some dodgy loophole? Who knows. Negotiations on a rental deal were going fine last close season werent they until that bombshell was dropped.

jordan210 · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
But there would of been no indemnity if sisu wouldn't have run off to the eu court. We need our own ground simple as. Why wont the owners build?

Not this again. The EU complaint is against CCC for state aid issues.

Im sure all tax payers would like to see if CCC have been miss using public money.

Anyway we don't need to go over this crap at the moment. We are going to enjoy our title and promotion

Tomh111 · Jun 10, 2020

I would be interested to know Wasps contingency plans for the upcoming season and the current state of their accounts.

From what I remember they were already beginning to look financially unstable before the pandemic (IIRC weren't there a number of bonds due to be repaid?)

Given the complete loss of income rugby clubs have faced and the comparative lack of TV revenue I would imagine the financial outlook has gone from precarious to down right fucking scary for their owners.

If that is the case I would be staying away from the negotiating table and dialing up the heat on them. If they go bump or the brown and smelly hits the fan for them, that stadiums asking price falls dramatically.

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

robbiekeane said:
Reading that made me cringe, what a bunch of toffs. Definitely think they’re something special. I hope they go bust or build our own stadium, however unlikely that may be

Probably a load of wankers from kenilworth who clean their car tyres when they get home after being in 'dirty Coventry'

Skyblueweeman · Jun 10, 2020

If Wasps owners have the same sort of thoughts as their fans, we'd be better stopping in Brum temporarily whilst another long term solution is sought.

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The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

jordan210 said:
Not this again. The EU complaint is against CCC for state aid issues.

Im sure all tax payers would like to see if CCC have been miss using public money.

Yes I know but we all know wasps and the council are webbed up together. Of course it'll affect wasps in some way.

Nick · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
Havent a clue. Maybe its extra security just incase sisu were to find some dodgy loophole? Who knows. Negotiations on a rental deal were going fine last close season werent they until that bombshell was dropped.

No they weren't, were they?

The only way Wasps will lose anything is if the council are found to be in the wrong. It's as simple as that.

It's almost as if the angry man who likes to tell everybody his morals doesn't really have a clue, standard.

jordan210 · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
Yes I know but we all know wasps and the council are webbed up together. Of course it'll affect wasps in some way.

They need to take it up with there Conveyancing solicitors then.

Its basic due diligence

robbiekeane · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
Havent a clue. Maybe its extra security just incase sisu were to find some dodgy loophole? Who knows. Negotiations on a rental deal were going fine last close season werent they until that bombshell was dropped.

They knew about it for months before they pretended it was new news...they were never intending to make a deal.

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

Does anyone have any idea how much itd cost us to buy into the place?
If only we had an option to that before......

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

robbiekeane said:
They knew about it for months before they pretended it was new news...they were never intending to make a deal.

Do you have any evidence that they werent intending to do a deal?

shmmeee · Jun 10, 2020

jordan210 said:
Not this again. The EU complaint is against CCC for state aid issues.

Im sure all tax payers would like to see if CCC have been miss using public money.

Anyway we don't need to go over this crap at the moment. We are going to enjoy our title and promotion

Not *this* again.

It’s patently ridiculous to pretend the complaint has no impact on Wasps.

Jesus do we really need to keep going round in these circles?

Far more interesting is the question of WTF is happening with the complaint? It’s been over a year now and not a peep out of the EC/whoever the fuck it is before some pedant steps in.

Let’s be honest here, that’s what we’re waiting on, not an outbreak of common sense from the hedge funds

robbiekeane · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
Do you have any evidence that they werent intending to do a deal?

I just gave you some didn’t I? The one factor that apparently scuppered talks at the last minute, was a complaint lodged 3 months previously with the EC so they would’ve known about it already?
So the dealbreaker was known before entering any talks?

Magwitch · Jun 10, 2020

The thing is, like it or not Wasps have the whip hand in negotiations, I can’t see the EFL and certainly not the Premiership allowing us to be nomadic for ever. IF ccfc realistically identified a location for a stadium surely that alone reduces the Wasps whip hand.

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

shmmeee said:
Not *this* again.

It’s patently ridiculous to pretend the complaint has no impact on Wasps.

Jesus do we really need to keep going round in these circles?

Far more interesting is the question of WTF is happening with the complaint? It’s been over a year now and not a peep out of the EC/whoever the fuck it is before some pedant steps in.

Let’s be honest here, that’s what we’re waiting on, not an outbreak of common sense from the hedge funds

These are probably the same people lording sisu about breaking the lease and now moaning about wasps hijacking the stadium that our wonderful owners said they didn't want.

Nick · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
These are probably the same people lording sisu about breaking the lease and now moaning about wasps hijacking the stadium that our wonderful owners said they didn't want.

Again, you seem to have a jumbled memory.

The coventrian · Jun 10, 2020

robbiekeane said:
I just gave you some didn’t I? The one factor that apparently scuppered talks at the last minute, was a complaint lodged 3 months previously with the EC so they would’ve known about it already?
So the dealbreaker was known before entering any talks?

Tbh theres that much shit gone on over the years I cant even remember what's right and what's wrong. This can all be traced back to the original breaking of the lease though. What a masterstroke eh.

Nick · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
Tbh theres that much shit gone on over the years I cant even remember what's right and what's wrong. This can all be traced back to the original breaking of the lease though. What a masterstroke eh.

So you keep saying but again you seem to have forgotten what happened.

shmmeee · Jun 10, 2020

The coventrian said:
These are probably the same people lording sisu about breaking the lease and now moaning about wasps hijacking the stadium that our wonderful owners said they didn't want.

They are exactly those people. The ones who wet themselves at how clever we were to fuck over the council because no one else would ever want the stadium. They don’t mention that much now though, too busy finding any straws they can grasp to make it look like they weren’t wrong.

Nick · Jun 10, 2020

shmmeee said:
They are exactly those people. The ones who wet themselves at how clever we were to fuck over the council because no one else would ever want the stadium. They don’t mention that much now though, too busy finding any straws they can grasp to make it look like they weren’t wrong.

When ACL were trying their best to club into Administration with the Trust and Haskell pulling themselves off because they thought they would take over. Would the lease have broken?

At this time, had ACL and the Council already been tapping up Wasps for the Ricoh? Yes or no.

Another thing that seems to keep vanishing from people's memories.

shmmeee · Jun 10, 2020

Nick said:
When ACL were trying their best to club into Administration with the Trust and Haskell pulling themselves off because they thought they would take over. Would the lease have broken?

If my granny had wheels would she be a bus?

Nick · Jun 10, 2020

shmmeee said:
If my granny had wheels would she be a bus?

Maybe.

Seems ironic that you seem to want to deny the actual facts from that time.

harvey098 · Jun 10, 2020

Whilst we can't attend games anyway (probably likely for most of next season), I'd rather be at St Andrews where there is a football pitch

harvey098 · Jun 10, 2020

shmmeee said:
If my granny had wheels would she be a bus?

Funny, I'd been waiting ages to hear that phrase then suddenly its in two different threads at once

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