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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • May 14, 2019
  • #211
No need to panic until someone says the deal is off - one of the parties is usually quick off the mark with a statement when shit like this breaks.,

Gilbert’s sources were telling him a deal was gonna be agreed 2 weeks ago
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2019
  • #212
How to make a complaint at EU level

If they go this route and the EU Commission rejects their complaint then they can complain to the European Ombudsman.

In all seriousness though, if they've decided to go for this they can only complain about an "authority or body" not a private company or person, these have to be dealt with in UK courts. This means that they could only be complaining about the UK courts or the council. In no way can this involve the franchise at all so it shouldn't be a barrier to their demands, if they do kick the club out because of this it will only be due to them protecting the council.
 
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rob9872

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  • May 14, 2019
  • #213
So who is Gilbert's secretive source... David Johnson? Or perhaps it's Anne Lucas
 
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Magwitch

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #214
fernandopartridge said:
What the fuck are you rattling on about
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Read it again you thick prick
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #215
Magwitch said:
Read it again you thick prick
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Paid your charity bet yet Rupert?
 
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Magwitch

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #216
There are a number of scenerios now, first this question to this European Commission might have been asked a few weeks ago when the appeal was thrown out, also is it a continuation of the legals, at the moment it looks just a question. Then there’s the time scale for an answer. If the answer is positive in sisu favour who could be in the dock, the local government, our courts, then what ? And then there’s Brexit, should we leave EU what clout would any commission have then ?
On a ccfc basis I don’t believe for one minute our c.e.o. or chairman know nothing about it but in fairness haven’t said anything yet, will be interesting when they do comment after all at the end of the day Boddy in particular has a job to look after.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #217
I'm going to see if I can hold out until midday, then have a look and see which. if any, parties have said what (reckon I'll give in by 10.30!)
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #218
Magwitch said:
There are a number of scenerios now, first this question to this European Commission might have been asked a few weeks ago when the appeal was thrown out, also is it a continuation of the legals, at the moment it looks just a question. Then there’s the time scale for an answer. If the answer is positive in sisu favour who could be in the dock, the local government, our courts, then what ? And then there’s Brexit, should we leave EU what clout would any commission have then ?
On a ccfc basis I don’t believe for one minute our c.e.o. or chairman know nothing about it but in fairness haven’t said anything yet, will be interesting when they do comment after all at the end of the day Boddy in particular has a job to look after.
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You know more than you do our players.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #219
Interview didn’t really clear anything up at all, Gilbert spouting his usual bullshit all night we just need to wait and see what comments the main parties make today hopefully
 

BobbyDazzler

Active Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #220
I missed the first part of the interview on the radio. Was it confirmed that SISU have requested an investigation? Nor did I hear any mention of timescales.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #221
BobbyDazzler said:
I missed the first part of the interview on the radio. Was it confirmed that SISU have requested an investigation? Nor did I hear any mention of timescales.
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No all it was that a complaint was made, they can then investigate this if they feel it’s necessary
 
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Magwitch

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #222
Nick said:
You know more than you do our players.
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Fuck off Uncle Tom
 

Pete in Portugal

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #223
Liquid Gold said:
How to make a complaint at EU level

If they go this route and the EU Commission rejects their complaint then they can complain to the European Ombudsman.

In all seriousness though, if they've decided to go for this they can only complain about an "authority or body" not a private company or person, these have to be dealt with in UK courts. This means that they could only be complaining about the UK courts or the council. In no way can this involve the franchise at all so it shouldn't be a barrier to their demands, if they do kick the club out because of this it will only be due to them protecting the council.
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BUT - if their complaint against a UK council was upheld by the EU and the sale to the insects broke EU law, it could result in Sisu having a very strong case to sue the council AND potentially the insects for compensation in the UK courts.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #224
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Interview didn’t really clear anything up at all, Gilbert spouting his usual bullshit all night we just need to wait and see what comments the main parties make today hopefully
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was that the interview with the 'expert' on CWR you're referring to Dom?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #225
Magwitch said:
Fuck off Uncle Tom
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How about you pay up your bet or fuck off? I'm sure there's another way you can pretend you know about ccfc and get shown up elsewhere.
 
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vow

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #226
Magwitch said:
Fuck off Uncle Tom
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Are you sure you really mean that and know the connotations?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #227
clint van damme said:
was that the interview with the 'expert' on CWR you're referring to Dom?
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Fuck knows, all I know is that Gilbert is a liar
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #228
vow said:
Are you sure you really mean that and know the connotations?
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Assuming he fits the pattern of being an older bloke who thinks others are stupid and don't have him figured out. I very much doubt he does.

It won't be long until some of the others try and jump in as well.

I assume there's either a split personality disorder or multiple people logging in using it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #229
Gilbert has said it doesn't change wasps stance as it's still legals about the ricoh. Wasn't the wasps stance about wasps being involved?

It suddenly becomes strange if it doesn't involve wasps but they still refuse to talk.

It just seems a bit strange
 
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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #230
Bloke on CWR from the council saying that SISU need to get ‘back’ round the negotiating table and sort a deal for playing at the Ricoh instead of pursuing legal stuff.
Is he hinting that the talks have broken down or does he not know we are already in ‘negotiations’?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #231
I was eleven in 87 said:
Bloke on CWR from the council saying that SISU need to get ‘back’ round the negotiating table and sort a deal for playing at the Ricoh instead of pursuing legal stuff.
Is he hinting that the talks have broken down or does he not know we are already in ‘negotiations’?
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Who is it?
 

Terry_dactyl

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #232
Nick said:
Gilbert has said it doesn't change wasps stance as it's still legals about the ricoh. Wasn't the wasps stance about wasps being involved?

It suddenly becomes strange if it doesn't involve wasps but they still refuse to talk.

It just seems a bit strange
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If I remember correctly, sisu claimed in one of their open letters that the previous ‘legals’ did not directly involve wasps.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #233
I thought the "expert" on BBC C&W this morning gave a good overview of the EU Commission process, but she drew the wrong parallels with other stadium cases which related to public bodies supporting new-builds and regeneration projects, not the sale of existing facilities. Why Trish Adudu was asking her specific questions about the football, when she is an expert on the European Commission NOT football, is beyond me.
Asked her "could this be settled by the start of next season?" - POINTLESS - if we don't have an agreement as to where we are playing by 29th May, EFL will possibly impose some sanction. They can't continue to claim that "progress is being made" and defer again!

As for the outcome, IF IF IF the Commission rules that the sale of the stadium to Wasps was contrary to EU law relating to state aid to private companies, maybe THEY could force Wasps to pay the undervalued amount - but as has been repeated on here, the UK Supreme Court ruled that it WASN'T undervalued at the time. I don't know why SISU believe they have been affected financially, so they wouldn't have a case in civil court.

#justsayin
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #234
And who leaked this story anyway? Sources, says Gibbering-Bert. The EC expert says there is nothing she knows about!
 
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4waspsting

Active Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #235
djr8369 said:
What’s it got to do with Wasps?


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I was eleven in 87

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #236
Nick said:
Who is it?
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Sorry I can’t recall his name, but it wasn’t one I was familiar with.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #237
Magwitch said:
Fuck off Uncle Tom
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I don't think you know what that actually means.
 
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djr8369

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #238
Terry_dactyl said:
If I remember correctly, sisu claimed in one of their open letters that the previous ‘legals’ did not directly involve wasps.
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So why are Wasps so adamant there can be no talks while there are on-going legals? Even if they are involved then trying to prevent the legal process means something is seriously amiss.


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clint van damme

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #239
4waspsting said:
what
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #240
Nick and Magwitch - please can you take your petty squabble elsewhere and stop littering every interesting thread with it?
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #241
djr8369 said:
So why are Wasps so adamant there can be no talks while there are on-going legals? Even if they are involved then trying to prevent the legal process means something is seriously amiss.


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I'm guessing that they don't want to be in a position where a court finds that they have to pay back £20 million quid (or whatever) back to the public purse because of a case brought by their tenant. I can see their point - it doesn't make for a cordial tenant-landlord relationship, does it?
 
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hill83

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #242
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Nick and Magwitch - please can you take your petty squabble elsewhere and stop littering every interesting thread with it?
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Chill out Captain Kirk
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #243
djr8369 said:
So why are Wasps so adamant there can be no talks while there are on-going legals? Even if they are involved then trying to prevent the legal process means something is seriously amiss.


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They’ve never quite clarified what that means though have they. Do they want no legal action of any kind or do they just not want to be involved in any. Part of these negotiations could be that they’ve let sisu go after the council if they’re left out of it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #244
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I'm guessing that they don't want to be in a position where a court finds that they have to pay back £20 million quid (or whatever) back to the public purse because of a case brought by their tenant. I can see their point - it doesn't make for a cordial tenant-landlord relationship, does it?
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If the court finds that (I dont think they will by the way), is that SISU's fault?
 
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djr8369

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #245
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I'm guessing that they don't want to be in a position where a court finds that they have to pay back £20 million quid (or whatever) back to the public purse because of a case brought by their tenant. I can see their point - it doesn't make for a cordial tenant-landlord relationship, does it?
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No it doesn’t but firstly I don’t see how they would be the guilty party. Council is at fault surely. They just paid what was asked. Secondly, even if that was the case blackmail to prevent the legal process can’t be a good look. It only serves to make them look guilty.

My point being, as far as I can tell, there’s no good reason why wasps should try and derail the legal process. One explanation is that the legals were uncovering the contact between wasps and the council long before the move.


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