But they can afford to alienate 8000+ fans and the entrance fees they would have paid to come and watch the team they once supported........? Can't afford the rent....? Can't afford not to, surely? It's just bollocks, and you know it!
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But they can afford to alienate 8000+ fans and the entrance fees they would have paid to come and watch the team they once supported........? Can't afford the rent....? Can't afford not to, surely? It's just bollocks, and you know it!
Grendel
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The estimated facts quote is so old it's going to soon be appearing on the antiques road show.
I don't actually believe I said it in the context you use anyway.
I could answer, but then you could also read the whole thread because I think you'll find this point had been answered (twice).
skybluelee
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Thanks, saved me a post! Although surely the fig is closer to £4m?
Sky Blue Kid
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theferret........I could point out that SISU had negotiated a deal to buy 50% of ACL last year - agreed (in writing) by all parties, only for the council to walk away......................................................................................Put up a link please.
Sky Blue Kid
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Grenduffy....The estimated facts quote is so old it's going to soon be appearing on the antiques road show. I don't actually believe I said it in the context you use anyway.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eeerrrrrr your a lying twat mate you meant it EXACTLY in the context. Claiming a website you use claim undisclosed fees to be a FACT!
Grendel
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Really? Do you have a link?
Astute
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But it was SISU that walked away as they wanted the whole thing for much less. We would have known every bit of detail from Timothy if it was ACL that walked away......and a good chance of another court battle.
Sky Blue Kid
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Tell you what Grenduffy YOU put up a link to show me that you didn't use it in the context I use?
Where have you been? This has been talked about endlessly and TF's comments on the matter regurgitated time and time again. I'm not sure have much more to say on it.
For what it's worth, the quotes are below. All true? The lack of any sort of denial from ACL or CCC on this suggests it probably is. I doubt even TF would lie about a signed document that didn't exist, given that this very issue is the subject of a JR.
Why it matters I don't know, most people know this, and most people don't care - it's all 'ACL good, SISU bad' like some fucking Orwellian nightmare. Anyhow, the quotes you wanted (taken from a CET interview):
"We made an incredibly generous offer. ACL’s bankers were willing to support the offer which would have stopped them from foreclosing on ACL and which would have left ACL debt free, while the council’s deal has not. For reasons which are beyond us, the council then spent £14m of public money to take over as ACL’s bankers and, hence, terminated discussions."
"A deal was on the table in December last year – reached without expensive advisers – which would have provided a viable commercial solution for ACL and the club, but ACL declined it and went on to launch a series of legal measures using two law firms."
"In an attempt to put both the club and ACL on a sound financial footing we had a series of meetings in 2012 aimed at resolving the financial difficulties facing both parties.
"As part of this, we reached agreement with the council to buy out the ACL debt in return for a half share in the stadium business and extension of ACL’s lease to 125 years, which means it remain 100 per cent council-owned – we would just access the revenues, which is crucial. This deal was documented, signed by all parties and then reneged on by the council. The council made the problem even worse by then using public funds, something that is now subject to the judicial review proceedings."
"We need to be very clear that this is not about ownership of the freehold in the stadium which would have continued to be held by the council, with the club taking back the 50 per cent interest in head-leaseholder ACL which it was always intended to have."
Uh? This has been mentioned continuously by TF, it was the point when everything broke down. Are people still unaware of this?
It's like Groundhog Day in here.
Sky Blue Kid
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Lmfao......Says Fisher with not one Iota of proof put forward! All this declared by Fisher who is well known to...how can I say this?....bend the truth or even.......Lie through his fecking teeth!!!.... FFS anyone putting up anything remotely like you have just done would be "Shouted down" and called an "ACL lover" Get a grip for fecks sake!!!
Astute
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So what Timothy considers to have been a good offer must have been a good offer?
I was on about the offer made to take over the Higgs share. They only wanted their money back. SISU walked away from that. Wanted the whole thing for not much more.....hence the judicial review and then challenging it because the judge saw right through what they were doing.
Grow up you clown.
Given the tendency for ACL to jump up and down and issue angry press statements in response to anything TF says that they don't agree with, the COMPLETE ABSENCE of any denial of these claims are more than enough evidence that this signed document exists and the statements are true. TF has spun and lied many times, but I for one believe him on this issue, and this very claim was put to PWKH on here and no denial was forthcoming. Get over it, there was a deal and the council reneged. Just as SISU reneged of the revised rent deal that followed early in 2013. Why that is so difficult to get your head around I have no idea.
Grendel
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So you lied - well you have form for that don't you? Perhaps your live streaming beamed the words estimated facts during the bury game and you got confused.
Well it couldn't have been that bad if all sides signed a headline agreement could it?
And no, the JR followed the breakdown of the deal TF was referring to, which concerned the purchase of the 50% stake owned by the council, not the Higgs share which was not part of those negotiations. The council agreed to sell THEIR share of ACL to SISU in return for SISU paying off the mortgage in full. They agreed, then changed their mind. Fine, people are allowed to do that, but that is happened is not really in doubt.
ohitsaidwalker king power
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Heres an interesting CT link Tony..
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/judge-throws-out-sky-blues-5667471
"Mr Justice Males has made the reasons for his judgment very clear. We note, in particular, his reference to the withholding of lawfully owed rent by SISU as a means of exerting pressure on ACL in commercial negotiations, which had led to an unsatisfied judgment in the High Court in ACL’s favour.”
Oh FFS http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...ews/coventry-city-chief-executive-tim-4010343
Question 9 I think. Given that this interview prompted a 1000 page thread on here, I'm amazed at how so many seem oblivious to its existence. The extent to which some people are willing to go to absolve the council of any blame is staggering.
Sky Blue Kid
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@ theferret........http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/exclusive-sisu-strikes-coventry-city-3019922>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is a legitimate link!!! and we all know who reneged on this don't we eh?
Astute
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What amazes me the most is the amount of people on here that use the comment of some people seeing the council as not to blame in any way. Name me anyone who thinks this way? The vast majority see SISU more to blame than the council though. This is nothing similar to what you keep saying though.
Are you questioning the legitimacy of my CT link now? At least mine is clickable.
ohitsaidwalker king power
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and post 54.. ?
Aye. I guess people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. It's a tactic I employ regularly when in the company of my wife, so I shouldn't be too judgmental.
...is completely irrelevant.
hill83
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I was about to say this. It's a valid link with valid information, but has nothing to do with the point at hand. Might as well post a link to the villa website.
So in conclusion, post 54: 4/10.
Astute
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In what way?
Shows why SISU walked away from the Higgs share.....unless you are saying the judge is part of the conspiracy trying to prove that the council are free of all blame :thinking about:
Tim Fisher.....a source of honesty and integrity???????/
ohitsaidwalker king power
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In your opinion.. this thread is about PR?..PR is about hearts and minds is it not....public relations.. for me this was SISUs number 1 PR faux pas... up until then most moderates like me(as was) had more than a degree of empathy with the 'must reduce the rent argument'.....but then this.. ILLEGAL ACT.... if that doesnt self defeat a PR battle, nowt will?
Lets not forget
hill83
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Of course not, but it's been out there to be denied by the council for months and never has been. That's good enough for some.
hill83
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Point taken, fully legitimate link within the context of the thread as a whole.
I'll up it to a 9/10.
I think your post #54 links to a different article than mine.
ohitsaidwalker king power apologist.