The Philosophy / System of the Group (3-5-2) (5 Viewers)
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Nick
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Thing is, it is all well and good him saying other teams play it and it works but that's other teams. He needs to give it up.
cloughie
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Yes works well for teams with players of a better ability, not league 2 standard, yes league 2, as with this formation we will be league 2
WONDERLAMPS
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Basically, we were set to play 4-4-2 till he saw it "work" for Holland (scrape through against Mexico and Costa Rica) at the World Cup. Like many a manager, he thought he'd try it. Brian Reid at nuneaton tried it, it didn't work. LVG tried it at Man united, it didn't work. People need to stop blaming the squad as we have one of the strongest in the division, the system limits our quality players massively and doesn't help defensively so is pointless. We invite pressure on from the get go against teams like Crewe etc and so rightfully get beaten. He's clueless and cannot be protected by the situation considering we have one of the biggest budgets in the division and no points deduction.
Gazolba
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He needs to get all the players together in a room and maybe a few fan representatives and have a brainstorming session about how everyone feels and take suggestions as to possible improvements or changes in direction. Anyone should be able to speak openly without fear of retribution. SP can make the decisions but he should seek input from those around him.
johnniericoh
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He doesn't play 5-3-2 it is 3-5-2 !!!
Nick
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oldskyblue58
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Don't the comments above sum it up though ....... no one is sure if it is 532 or 352...... no one is sure if the full backs play defensively, attacking or somewhere else entirely. Leads me to think that the players are not sure where they should be or how to play the positions asked of them. That surely means round pegs in square holes doesn't it and the team is not getting the best out of the players it has.
I have always thought that you look at the squad and set up the team to get the best from that squad...... you do not set up the team and force players to not play their natural game, to not play to their strengths and abilities........ ok the odd player for a specific match is understandable but many players for every match????? You can not expect optimum performance out of players if they are having to force/suppress their natural game to do something else, for one thing it increases the thought process and decision making is slowed or confused...... and you are not given that sort of time in a L1 match
SP needs to go back to basics, look at what he actually has as a squad and ask himself for each player what does that player best offer the team, then pull together a formation/system that gets that best. Right now all I see is muddled thinking on and off the pitch as far as the team goes and it is getting worse by the game
Was always taught that a good coach asks himself first what he could do better when things do not work. The problem right now is SP and he needs to look at himself and be big enough to say this aint right I need to change
I have always thought that you look at the squad and set up the team to get the best from that squad...... you do not set up the team and force players to not play their natural game, to not play to their strengths and abilities........ ok the odd player for a specific match is understandable but many players for every match????? You can not expect optimum performance out of players if they are having to force/suppress their natural game to do something else, for one thing it increases the thought process and decision making is slowed or confused...... and you are not given that sort of time in a L1 match
SP needs to go back to basics, look at what he actually has as a squad and ask himself for each player what does that player best offer the team, then pull together a formation/system that gets that best. Right now all I see is muddled thinking on and off the pitch as far as the team goes and it is getting worse by the game
Was always taught that a good coach asks himself first what he could do better when things do not work. The problem right now is SP and he needs to look at himself and be big enough to say this aint right I need to change
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Nick
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Exactly, you would think a good manager would play the best system to suit the players in his team and the opposition. It is all well and good saying "but we need to spend money to get the best out of the system and philosophy" but anybody can hammer the champions league on football manager with the cheats turned on. The real skill is surely getting the best out of the players available.
dongonzalos
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I do think it is related to the whole suing the 'Coventry way' at every level thing.
Which I actually agree with but it should be an ethos and a work rate quick passing. Pressing high and hard up the pitch.
With flexible shift patterns integrating the ethos.
Which I actually agree with but it should be an ethos and a work rate quick passing. Pressing high and hard up the pitch.
With flexible shift patterns integrating the ethos.
dongonzalos
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It's got us lot agreeing on something for once anyway
Del Boy 82
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Spot on that summary is. We may intend to start 352 but end up 532 cause we end up so deep playing ourselves into trouble. This team / squad is good enough to beat most teams in this league. It's like he's gone out to get ingredients to make a lasagne but tried to change it to spaghetti bol!!! It does not work. Switch to a basic 442 an start picking up points an confidence.
While the system is clearly not working, in most formations/systems this year we are going to struggle due to our lack of strength in the middle. I believe that this deficiency was masked by Wilson and Clarke last year as we skipped the midfield by hitting the ball down the channels for them to run onto. This year however, due to Clarke's departure, exacerbated by Wilson's injury and then sale, our midfield has been turned over time and time again.
So what did Pressley do about this in the summer... he brought in no central midfielders and started playing wingers in the central position.
So what did Pressley do about this in the summer... he brought in no central midfielders and started playing wingers in the central position.
covcity4life
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just go all out attack! die on your sword prezza
Hobo
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SP is in a difficult situation right now that is for sure and I don't know whether he has the skills or experience to turn it around? The formation is irrelevant, whatever formation was used the results would have been the same. It is too easy just to blame SP and the biggest fault lies with players.
There is plenty of experience in this team despite youngsters coming through. In fact their passage has been too easy. Players have been coming to this club for years thinking it is okay to loose. It is acceptable to hide on the treatment table and pick up wages.
The scouting system above youth level seems appalling if not non existent. Too many signings seem to be based on desperation gambles, Tudgay this season for a start, he admitted himself he had no desire last year.
It is okay people saying SP has bought rubbish, but then so has Waggott. He has a bigger say in who comes and goes than Pressley. He controls the budget.
Pressley is right, people aren't winning their personal battles, people are making wrong decisions at the wrong time. We aren't vocal enough as a team. Not enough professional pride. You can train and practise all you want but come the game you have to perform. Once you cross the white line the team are on their own.
Pressley was brought here on the cheap, he should be supported and developed by the people who chose him. If he is not good enough then blame the people that hired him.
The club lacks leaders in every department, from Seppala down, Fisher, Waggott. We should have 4 or 5 captains out there. The club has no forward direction and no sense of pride, it hasn't for a long long time.
SP is the easy target. Lost the dressing room? There is no dressing room at Coventry, just a box of kittens. A bunch of people who are prepared to be losers. Fleck is over rated by the fans and so is Johnson.
it says something when our best performances have come from the likes of Haynes, Phillips and Maddison, they seem to be the ones trying to dig us out.
The lead should be coming from the likes of Webster, Johnson, Pugh, Fleck, O'Brien, Tudgay, McQuoid and Hines. They have plenty of experience to lead at this level. Don't talk about injuries, they can still lead in the dressing room and on the bench and training field.
it is time we demanded more from certain players rather than a blind chorus of sack the manager (yet again) play 4-4-2.
There is no formation that will win matches when people can't stand up as individuals or collectively as a team
There is plenty of experience in this team despite youngsters coming through. In fact their passage has been too easy. Players have been coming to this club for years thinking it is okay to loose. It is acceptable to hide on the treatment table and pick up wages.
The scouting system above youth level seems appalling if not non existent. Too many signings seem to be based on desperation gambles, Tudgay this season for a start, he admitted himself he had no desire last year.
It is okay people saying SP has bought rubbish, but then so has Waggott. He has a bigger say in who comes and goes than Pressley. He controls the budget.
Pressley is right, people aren't winning their personal battles, people are making wrong decisions at the wrong time. We aren't vocal enough as a team. Not enough professional pride. You can train and practise all you want but come the game you have to perform. Once you cross the white line the team are on their own.
Pressley was brought here on the cheap, he should be supported and developed by the people who chose him. If he is not good enough then blame the people that hired him.
The club lacks leaders in every department, from Seppala down, Fisher, Waggott. We should have 4 or 5 captains out there. The club has no forward direction and no sense of pride, it hasn't for a long long time.
SP is the easy target. Lost the dressing room? There is no dressing room at Coventry, just a box of kittens. A bunch of people who are prepared to be losers. Fleck is over rated by the fans and so is Johnson.
it says something when our best performances have come from the likes of Haynes, Phillips and Maddison, they seem to be the ones trying to dig us out.
The lead should be coming from the likes of Webster, Johnson, Pugh, Fleck, O'Brien, Tudgay, McQuoid and Hines. They have plenty of experience to lead at this level. Don't talk about injuries, they can still lead in the dressing room and on the bench and training field.
it is time we demanded more from certain players rather than a blind chorus of sack the manager (yet again) play 4-4-2.
There is no formation that will win matches when people can't stand up as individuals or collectively as a team
Evo1883
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3-5-2 with fullbacks playing left wing and right wing respectively , quickly turns into 5-3-2 , why is this an argument its a monumental fact , now if he was playing wingers left and right side then yes we can argue we are actually playing 3-5-2 .
its just a spin to cover up pressleys negative tactics
its just a spin to cover up pressleys negative tactics
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Pressley doesn't seem to understand the system himself so the players have no chance