The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (9 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

And never will be if people don't talk to each other.

Take May out the equation, the rest need to come up with an alternative, and fast. Otherwise we sleepwalk into May's deal.

Sometimes, you have to choose who's your real enemy, which battles do you *need* to fight. If Corbyn's feels at this moment in time he needs to fight Umunna, then that's very, very worrying for the future, isn't it.

Depends on your perspective really. Umanna is the epitome of the politics that caused the disengagement of millions of people, and was a huge factor in the Leave vote winning (and the same reason that people rejected Clinton over Trump IMO) - he is really the anti-thesis of everything that Corbyn thinks his Labour is about. Although I still wouldn’t have done it, it would be like having Blair and Cameron at the meeting to ‘coach’ the group to a solution.

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[Grendel]

Depends on your perspective really. Umanna is the epitome of the politics that caused the disengagement of millions of people, and was a huge factor in the Leave vote winning (and the same reason that people rejected Clinton over Trump IMO) - he is really the anti-thesis of everything that Corbyn thinks his Labour is about. Although I still wouldn’t have done it, it would be like having Blair and Cameron at the meeting to ‘coach’ the group to a solution.

He’s met mass murderers and called them his friends

 

[Ian1779]

He’s met mass murderers and called them his friends

May has helped to cover up child abuse.

Your move.

 

[skybluetony176]

Corbyn has behaved like a petulant child on this one. Ridiculous.

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn has behaved like a petulant child on this one. Ridiculous.

Don’t necessarily disagree.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well she's making it a three way choice, at least!

 

[skybluetony176]

So far she’s blaming everyone else. Maybe astute writes her speeches.

 

[tisza]

May has helped to cover up child abuse.

Your move.

Obviously both 2 outstanding moral characters. Or is this really how far UK politics has sunk when these are the best 2 people to lead our 2 biggest parties

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well that said nothing about nothing in the end.

 

[Grendel]

May has helped to cover up child abuse.

Your move.

The point is about Corbyn and his refusal to meet a former colleague and nothing to do with may

Corbyn has also been accused of ignoring child abuse on his own patch

 

[tisza]

So far she’s blaming everyone else. Maybe astute writes her speeches.

It's a pathetic start.

 

[skybluetony176]

Well. That was 2 minutes of my life I won’t get back.

 

[skybluetony176]

It's a pathetic start.

And a pointless end.

 

[tisza]

So just a continuation of the blame game.
Appealing to the public yet how do the public force parliament to act in such a late, short time period?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The point is about Corbyn and his refusal to meet a former colleague and nothing to do with may

Corbyn has also been accused of ignoring child abuse on his own patch

Evidence? Go

 

[tisza]

Got to be honest you have a chance to address the people on a national issue and that's the best you can up with. Take a bit more time to explain it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Got to be honest you have a chance to address the people on a national issue and that's the best you can up with. Take a bit more time to explain it.

The walk away from the lectern in deathly, lonely silence was kind of apt, however!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s met mass murderers and called them his friends

He'd pledge to build a Grendel statue in every village and you'd still call him a terrorist sympathiser

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn has stupidly handed her a way out tonight, as it’s his actions that will be discussed, not her (other than her giving us nothing to discuss anyway).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well strictly speaking 'the Independent Group' is a company, not a party. Shall we compile a long list of the tyrants Mrs May has shook hands with or agree that guilt by association is lazier than me on a Sunday morning

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Brexit: 90% say handling of negotiations is 'national humiliation' - Sky Data poll

surprised the Govt gets away with as little as 34% of the outright blame

If it were Labour it'd be 100-in fact it might be anyway

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Evidence? Go

I don't know how old you are but do you remember Corbyn cosying up to the IRA after the Brighton bombing?
If you think that's ok then shame on you!!!

 

[tisza]

If it were Labour it'd be 100-in fact it might be anyway

So British public naturally have more faith in a disastrous tory govt than any Labour one ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don't know how old you are but do you remember Corbyn cosying up to the IRA after the Brighton bombing?
If you think that's ok then shame on you!!!

He was right that the way to solve things is to talk.

Shame he forgot that tonight.

 

[Captain Dart]

Well strictly speaking 'the Independent Group' is a company, not a party. Shall we compile a long list of the tyrants Mrs May has shook hands with or agree that guilt by association is lazier than me on a Sunday morning

True but he is a representative of 11 MPs, that is important in this gawd awful mess May has led the country into. Still lets be pedantic and insist on proper rules.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't know how old you are but do you remember Corbyn cosying up to the IRA after the Brighton bombing?
If you think that's ok then shame on you!!!

I don't think it's OK I think it's a falsehood. How many Tories is it now who have had to withdraw libellous comments about him? If you really think he has terrorist connections ring up MI5 and have him bumped off

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So British public naturally have more faith in a disastrous tory govt than any Labour one ?

Yes-because most of the general public is thick and thinks that the party with policies it dislikes and thinks are worse for the economy, is better at running the economy. It reads and swallows nonsense quite happily

 

[Deleted member 5849]

True but he is a representative of 11 MPs, that is important in this gawd awful mess May has led the country into. Still lets be pedantic and insist on proper rules.

Yup. If our national government can be propped up by 10 MPs who don't even hold the majority view in Northern Ireland, it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to allow a group of 11 a platform to voice their views.

It's so stupid, petty, arrogant and yes, Ian's right, Corbyn's given people the way out to talk about him, rather than this diabolical idiocy that the Prime Minister marches onwards, without actually showing any attempt to change to bring people onside.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

True but he is a representative of 11 MPs, that is important in this gawd awful mess May has led the country into. Still lets be pedantic and insist on proper rules.

11 wannabe Lib Dems who still haven't had the balls to make their rebellion an official party. So he isn't a party leader

 

[tisza]

Let's face it even if it gets through the Commons the Lords will make a mess of it.
Even if May deal would be backed does anyone believe they can sort everything else out in the remaining 2 years.

 

[stupot07]

May is a joke

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[tisza]

Yes-because most of the general public is thick and thinks that the party with policies it dislikes and thinks are worse for the economy, is better at running the economy. It reads and swallows nonsense quite happily

You should be writing manifestos. Calling the electorate thick is a surefire winner.

 

[tisza]

May is a joke

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Nope jokes are funny

 

[Ian1779]

You should be writing manifestos. Calling the electorate thick is a surefire winner.

See the Conservative manifesto of GE 2017. He has a point.