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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,931
martcov said:
I actually agree with you. It was a mad idea. The referendum was flawed from the word go, and Brexit was sold as easy peasy with loads of benefits immediately. We have lost billions of business, 3 years of governance, billions on government preparations for no deal and companies have wasted billions on stockpiling and storage space ( which they now have to sell and then restock again at some future date ). I am as angry as you are, although coming from a different direction.
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Can you show me where we have lost “billions of business”
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,932
Mucca Mad Boys said:
“Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it.”

Yes you did.

40% is not based on polls. It’s based on the 2017 general election result.
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So you have changed your wording now. You alleged i said only hard core Labour voters. But you now agree that I said not much more presently. And you also admitted that Labour has less than the last GE.

Then you quoted 40% and polls.

Yes you did.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,933
Grendel said:
Can you show me where we have lost “billions of business”
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Lost billions of business whilst having record employment. Makes sense
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,934
martcov said:
I actually agree with you. It was a mad idea. The referendum was flawed from the word go, and Brexit was sold as easy peasy with loads of benefits immediately. We have lost billions of business, 3 years of governance, billions on government preparations for no deal and companies have wasted billions on stockpiling and storage space ( which they now have to sell and then restock again at some future date ). I am as angry as you are, although coming from a different direction.
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There is some mighty exaggeration going on here Mart.........I expect you think 11cm is close to 9" 's as well !!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,935
More mart lies - how ironic
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,936
Ashdown said:
There is some mighty exaggeration going on here Mart.........I expect you think 11cm is close to 9" 's as well !!
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Where is the exaggeration?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,937
Grendel said:
More mart lies - how ironic
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We have lost business. We have spent billions on preparations for a no deal. We have wasted 3 years on Brexit. Companies throughout Britain have been stockpiling and renting storage. Cold storage is sold out. Don’t you keep up with what’s going on?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,938
Astute said:
Lost billions of business whilst having record employment. Makes sense
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Yes. It does. Record employment when you count zero hours jobs and part time jobs.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,939
Grendel said:
More mart lies - how ironic
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UK warehouse space nears capacity as firms stockpile for Brexit
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,940
Grendel said:
Can you show me where we have lost “billions of business”
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Cost of Brexit to UK economy running at £40bn a year – Bank rate-setter
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,941
Ashdown said:
There is some mighty exaggeration going on here Mart.........I expect you think 11cm is close to 9" 's as well !!
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What’s the cost of preparing for Brexit?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,942
Ashdown said:
There is some mighty exaggeration going on here Mart.........I expect you think 11cm is close to 9" 's as well !!
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Brexit Stockpiling Frenzy Leaves Firms With Few Warehouses
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,943
Grendel said:
More mart lies - how ironic
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Counting cost of stockpiling, UK bike maker gears up for Brexit - Reuters
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,944
Astute said:
Lost billions of business whilst having record employment. Makes sense
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Yes. The quality of the jobs plays a role. Atypical employment: so called self employed and zero hours contracts accounts for a lot of the increased employment. Reduces the price of labour.

Setting the record straight: How record employment has changed the UK - Resolution Foundation
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,945
Grendel said:
Can you show me where we have lost “billions of business”
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lol mart immediately starts scouring The Guardian.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,946
SIR ERNIE said:
lol mart immediately starts scouring The Guardian.
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The Guardian is reporting on a study. Is the study wrong, or do you know of a study saying that we are doing better than we would have been?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,947
SIR ERNIE said:
lol mart immediately starts scouring The Guardian.
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Ok. Read it here. You won’t find it on Breitbart or The Daily Farage.

How the economic cost of Brexit is being hidden from Leave voters
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,948
Maybe the poll should be:

"Do you read one of those massive newspapers as big as a house that you need a degree in origami to figure out?"

If yes, instant banning order from being near kids unattended.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,949
martcov said:
We have lost business. We have spent billions on preparations for a no deal. We have wasted 3 years on Brexit. Companies throughout Britain have been stockpiling and renting storage. Cold storage is sold out. Don’t you keep up with what’s going on?
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Who exactly has spent billions? Perhaps those billions have been spent on cold storage and warehouses. Brexit - good for UK business (warehouses and fridge manufacturers).
 
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Ashdown

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  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,950
Should be some cracking sales coming up soon with all that stock to shift !!
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,951
RegTheDonk said:
Who exactly has spent billions? Perhaps those billions have been spent on cold storage and warehouses. Brexit - good for UK business (warehouses and fridge manufacturers).
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Good for some. But not for others who have extra costs and problems with cash flow. If they survived these extra costs, then they won’t be pleased at having to go through it all again at some later date. Making goods more expensive and stretching finances is hardly the best spin for Brexit. I thought things were supposed to get cheaper and business was supposed to benefit from Brexit? Still twisting negative effects into positive is all that’s left when there is no good news on the horizon.
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,952
Ashdown said:
Should be some cracking sales coming up soon with all that stock to shift !!
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Yes, that could be a silver lining for consumers, but will reduce profits and therefore tax revenue from some businesses.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,953
RegTheDonk said:
Who exactly has spent billions? Perhaps those billions have been spent on cold storage and warehouses. Brexit - good for UK business (warehouses and fridge manufacturers).
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The effect Brexit stockpiling is having on the economy

Short term. Now they have to sell the stock to reduce their borrowing.. until the next time..
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,954
martcov said:
We have lost business. We have spent billions on preparations for a no deal. We have wasted 3 years on Brexit. Companies throughout Britain have been stockpiling and renting storage. Cold storage is sold out. Don’t you keep up with what’s going on?
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Nope you said business have lost billions as - you then listed these separately

Back it up you lying bullshitter
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,955
Maybe we should take lessons from the Swiss on referendums.

Swiss court orders historic vote re-run
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,956
Nick said:
I reckon the media are forcing it to be extended, they would have fuck all else to talk about if there was no brexit.
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They should focus on what’s being ignored by the government domestically and the money wasted on the Brexit shambles so far
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,957
Grendel said:
Nope you said business have lost billions as - you then listed these separately

Back it up you lying bullshitter
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I linked twice to reports on the cost of Brexit. GDP has fallen and business investment has fallen in comparison to the trend before Brexit. This means that we are losing billions compared to what we would have had, and our tax revenue is falling in comparison to what it would have been. If business is not losing billions of potential revenue, how come the report showed that it is? They have made graphs to show their workings. The figures are there. Now you show us gown the trend of business investment and GDP has improved since Brexit.
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,958
Grendel said:
Nope you said business have lost billions as - you then listed these separately

Back it up you lying bullshitter
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Another „bullshitter“:
At the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders chief executive Mike Hawes said it was "utterly unacceptable" that, more than two years since negotiations started, industry still did not know what the UK's relationship with the EU was going to be.

Uncertainty had already caused serious damage, he said, with car plants on enforced shutdown, investment being cut and jobs being lost.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,959
Grendel said:
Nope you said business have lost billions as - you then listed these separately

Back it up you lying bullshitter
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I actually said „billions of business“ not they „have lost billions“, they can still lose business, but make the same turnover. The difference is the business they would have had, but didn’t get because of Brexit. This has been calculated.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,960
martcov said:
I linked twice to reports on the cost of Brexit. GDP has fallen and business investment has fallen in comparison to the trend before Brexit. This means that we are losing billions compared to what we would have had, and our tax revenue is falling in comparison to what it would have been. If business is not losing billions of potential revenue, how come the report showed that it is? They have made graphs to show their workings. The figures are there. Now you show us gown the trend of business investment and GDP has improved since Brexit.
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It doesn’t show that at all. Several economies in Europe have performed far worse than the uk since the brexit announcement - notably Germany and Italy is now a basket case. So yeah you made it up
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,961
martcov said:
I actually said „billions of business“ not they „have lost billions“, they can still lose business, but make the same turnover. The difference is the business they would have had, but didn’t get because of Brexit. This has been calculated.
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No it has not it’s remain lies from the Nazi spokesperson on SBT
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,962
Grendel said:
It doesn’t show that at all. Several economies in Europe have performed far worse than the uk since the brexit announcement - notably Germany and Italy is now a basket case. So yeah you made it up
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I obviously didn’t make anything up. Read what the people who made the comparison say. Nothing to do with me, but I base my opinion on such evidence based reports as opposed to „there are no down sides“ Brexiteer promises.

Not all economies are performing like Germany.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,963
Grendel said:
No it has not it’s remain lies from the Nazi spokesperson on SBT
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Bad mood today? Brexit turning into a disaster as I have predicted from the start. Sore leavers. Lied to, but will deny anything to not have to admit they were lied to.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,964
Grendel said:
It doesn’t show that at all. Several economies in Europe have performed far worse than the uk since the brexit announcement - notably Germany and Italy is now a basket case. So yeah you made it up
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Italy is a basket case since Brexit?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2019
  • #34,965
Astute said:
So you have changed your wording now. You alleged i said only hard core Labour voters. But you now agree that I said not much more presently. And you also admitted that Labour has less than the last GE.

Then you quoted 40% and polls.

Yes you did.
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I didn't quote an opinion poll, use of 42.4% for the Tories and 40% for Labour is the 2017 General Election result, which again is not an opinion poll. There's not really much you can argue with here.

I may as well quote polls since you insist I have, and the polls show a drop in support for Lab/Con and have them pretty even. So your argument that Labour has little/no support outside of its hardcore support is not backed up by anything. Not by current opinion polls nor, more importantly, the last GE election.
 

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