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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 26, 2019
  • #33,951
tisza said:
prefer politicians to stick to their principles if they have firm beliefs- whatever hue they maybe. hard to respect or trust politicians that won't stick to their guns. if you're genuinely firm leave or remain then stick with it.
if you're running scared because you look like losing at last minute how can you be trusted on the next important issue that comes along. Even more scary some of this group could still be in line to take over from May if she steps down, hardly inspiring that next person negotiating with EU is one that is known to back down at last minute.
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I'm sick of hearing their opinion on it tbh. Rees Mogg is a backbench nobody, the media think he and Boris are twee British eccentrics rather than a pair of entitled wankers.

I'm minded to say let's call the whole thing off and re-consider what it is that we really want.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,952
fernandopartridge said:
I'm sick of hearing their opinion on it tbh. Rees Mogg is a backbench nobody, the media think he and Boris are twee British eccentrics rather than a pair of entitled wankers.

I'm minded to say let's call the whole thing off and re-consider what it is that we really want.
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We're going to either end up with some thing unpopular (May's deal) or rushed so yes, but delay needed.

Shame we didn't think about the detail before hurtling onward, really.
 
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Astute

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,953
Deleted member 5849 said:
That doesn't make you

We're going to either end up with some thing unpopular (May's deal) or rushed so yes, but delay needed.

Shame we didn't think about the detail before hurtling onward, really.
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This isn't necessarily right.

Nobody knows what is going on. But most seem to know what is going on. Just like last week when nearly everyone knew it was either May deal or no deal. Not enough consideration is given to what those that have the power to decide wants. This same consideration doesn't make headline news. But as soon as the rags or news outlets say something it becomes the next thing that must happen.

My take on it hasn't changed. The EU has always angled towards us being able to remain. If we don't remain they want us to have close ties. This includes FOM continuing and our payments not changing. This will keep us included in the free movement of goods. Delays will only happen if we come out with something totally different than what is happening now. Hardly anyone wants what is happening now.

Most are looking for a solution that keeps us in the EU before the negotiations finally start. To me this is why there is never a majority for anything. And I can't see a majority happening for anything. We have another clock to run down. At least this one isn't another couple of years.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,954
tisza said:
Seen more people on a Botham walk than the Leave march
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It’s reminiscent of the part in forest gump when he decides to run across America and people start following him even though they don’t really understand his motives for running.

I am not a smart man Jenny but I know what I voted for. One day I just felt like walking.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,955
skybluetony176 said:
It’s reminiscent of the part in forest gump when he decides to run across America and people start following him even though they don’t really understand his motives for running.

I am not a smart man Jenny but I know what I voted for. One day I just felt like walking.
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Probably best analogy I've ever seen on this site on any topic
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,956
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Farage is a twat
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Watched the Hungary vs Croatia at a friend's house on Sunday night. He happens to be a senior Govt advisor who's usually in Brussels for these summits.
They "love" Farage just because he upsets so many other Euro MPs. Bit of context Hungarian Govt party just been suspended from EPP for running a huge PR campaign against Junker and immigration and a general clampdown on many of the democratic processes in Hungary. There is little free press or TV in Hungary anymore. Courts packed with political appointees etc. Wide spread corruption in allocation of EU funds.
Hungarian Govt very keen for UK to remain as they see us as an important block to France and Germany.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,957
tisza said:
Probably best analogy I've ever seen on this site on any topic
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I’m going to be a real shrimp boat captain

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,958
skybluetony176 said:
I’m going to be a real shrimp boat captain

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Why is he holding the Prime Minister like that?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,959
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why is he holding the Prime Minister like that?
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I thought it was Alex Salmon
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,960
Let’s spend it on diplomatic living accommodation instead UK buys £12m New York apartment for diplomat don’t remember seeing that on the side of the bus.
 
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tisza

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,961
skybluetony176 said:
Let’s spend it on diplomatic living accommodation instead UK buys £12m New York apartment for diplomat don’t remember seeing that on the side of the bus.
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puts MPs expenses into a different perspective
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,962
skybluetony176 said:
Let’s spend it on diplomatic living accommodation instead UK buys £12m New York apartment for diplomat don’t remember seeing that on the side of the bus.
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"It said it was in the process of selling the consul general's current residence."

Just to add some balance to this News.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,963
tisza said:
puts MPs expenses into a different perspective
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Or even MEP’s and EU bureaucrats wages and expenses into perspective. This is the cost of doing what was a shared cost with 27 other nations on your own. When you consider that this is just the cost of setting up for one trading partner post brexit all of a sudden that £360M isn’t looking too bad a value for money.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,964
He’s a plonker isn’t he?

Half a loaf is better than no loaf!! Tit I’m sure it’s all a game for him

May vows to quit after Brexit deal passed
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,965
skybluetony176 said:
Or even MEP’s and EU bureaucrats wages and expenses into perspective. This is the cost of doing what was a shared cost with 27 other nations on your own. When you consider that this is just the cost of setting up for one trading partner post brexit all of a sudden that £360M isn’t looking too bad a value for money.
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Not really, the cost of employing MEPs and commissioners is pretty much borne by the net contributors to the pot.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,966
I see she promised to go before the next phase begins if they back her deal and Rees-Mogg is squirming over what he’s said in the past.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,967
fernandopartridge said:
Not really, the cost of employing MEPs and commissioners is pretty much borne by the net contributors to the pot.
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I never said otherwise. Sorry, but my point stands.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,968
skybluetony176 said:
I see she promised to go before the next phase begins if they back her deal and Rees-Mogg is squirming over what he’s said in the past.
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Rees-Mogg admitting basically being held to ransom by the 10 DUP MPs.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,969
I can see this being the Norway+ thing.

It is all a massive fudge.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,970
Anyone still for leave? At what point do you see that Brexit is undeliverable. It is impossible to build a consensus. The main players have lied, cheated and now Mogg and Johnson are going to vote for a deal that they both described as worse than remain. All the crap from Mogg about GATT 24 and the Irish Border has now been put to bed. The lies about trade deals being the easiest in history have been exposed. ROW immigration has more than replaced EU migrants. Investment has fallen, the UK has lost influence and become laughing stock. Farage continues to embarrass us all in the EU Parliament. The EU is setting the agenda. Which puts the „we are holding all the cards“ crap also to bed. 6 million signatures and 1 million marchers puts Farage’s argument about opinion hardening towards the EU also to bed. His pub crawl „Brexit Betrayal“ is a flop. 29 March won’t be anything like the March, and the petition won’t reach anything like 6 million ( even if they use bots ). The Tories, and the ERG are crumbling. A pity labour don’t have a leader who would put Brexit to death. The centre is a massive free field at the moment. A moderate labour leader could take the country. ( although I agree that Corbyn’s policies could reach a lot of people if it wasn’t Corbyn ).
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,971
tisza said:
Rees-Mogg admitting basically being held to ransom by the 10 DUP MPs.
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He’s been out manoeuvred by May to the point where he’s being held to ransom by May also. It’s amazing anyone holds him in such high esteem.
 
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Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,972
martcov said:
Anyone still for leave? At what point do you see that Brexit is undeliverable. It is impossible to build a consensus. The main players have lied, cheated and now Mogg and Johnson are going to vote for a deal that they both described as worse than remain. All the crap from Mogg about GATT 24 and the Irish Border has now been put to bed. The lies about trade deals being the easiest in history have been exposed. ROW immigration has more than replaced EU migrants. Investment has fallen, the UK has lost influence and become laughing stock. Farage continues to embarrass us all in the EU Parliament. The EU is setting the agenda. Which puts the „we are holding all the cards“ crap also to bed. 6 million signatures and 1 million marchers puts Farage’s argument about opinion hardening towards the EU also to bed. His pub crawl „Brexit Betrayal“ is a flop. 29 March won’t be anything like the March, and the petition won’t reach anything like 6 million ( even if they use bots ). The Tories, and the ERG are crumbling. A pity labour don’t have a leader who would put Brexit to death. The centre is a massive free field at the moment. A moderate labour leader could take the country. ( although I agree that Corbyn’s policies could reach a lot of people if it wasn’t Corbyn ).
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So what you saying ?.....
 

Captain Dart

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,973
Aposite for this thread.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,974
martcov said:
Anyone still for leave? At what point do you see that Brexit is undeliverable. It is impossible to build a consensus. The main players have lied, cheated and now Mogg and Johnson are going to vote for a deal that they both described as worse than remain. All the crap from Mogg about GATT 24 and the Irish Border has now been put to bed. The lies about trade deals being the easiest in history have been exposed. ROW immigration has more than replaced EU migrants. Investment has fallen, the UK has lost influence and become laughing stock. Farage continues to embarrass us all in the EU Parliament. The EU is setting the agenda. Which puts the „we are holding all the cards“ crap also to bed. 6 million signatures and 1 million marchers puts Farage’s argument about opinion hardening towards the EU also to bed. His pub crawl „Brexit Betrayal“ is a flop. 29 March won’t be anything like the March, and the petition won’t reach anything like 6 million ( even if they use bots ). The Tories, and the ERG are crumbling. A pity labour don’t have a leader who would put Brexit to death. The centre is a massive free field at the moment. A moderate labour leader could take the country. ( although I agree that Corbyn’s policies could reach a lot of people if it wasn’t Corbyn ).
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Me, We need to respect the DUP
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,975
Boris has once again changed his stance on Brexit in order to have a shot at getting the keys to number 10.
Absolutely shameless.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,976
Captain Dart said:
I can see this being the Norway+ thing.

It is all a massive fudge.
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Was it worth the billions, the extra civil servants, the cancellation of investment, the extra border staff, the loss of jobs, the loss of agencies, loss of Galileo, our parliament being unable to take care of the country‘s problems because of Brexit debates etc..? In the end, remain is still a better deal than BRINO.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,977
westcountry_skyblue said:
Me, We need to respect the DUP
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We don't. They're backward fuck wits who'll be as extint as the dinosaurs in a few decades, which is ironic seen as they don't believe they existed.
Think it's dawning on them that they've been fucked over by certain elements of the Tory party, tough shit.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,978
westcountry_skyblue said:
Me, We need to respect the DUP
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And any benefits on the horizon?
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,979
clint van damme said:
We don't. They're backward fuck wits who'll be as extint as the dinosaurs in a few decades, which is ironic seen as they don't believe they existed.
Think it's dawning on them that they've been fucked over by certain elements of the Tory party, tough shit.
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Just waiting for Corbyn to ask the IRA for their support so he can form a Government!!!
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,980
westcountry_skyblue said:
Just waiting for Corbyn to ask the IRA for their support so he can form a Government!!!
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Sweet lord
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,981
Talks of extra money for the DUP if they back her deal. Again I don’t remember seeing let’s spend it on the DUP instead written on the side of the bus.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,982
westcountry_skyblue said:
Me, We need to respect the DUP
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Hahahahaha, brilliant!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,983
skybluetony176 said:
Talks of extra money for the DUP if they back her deal. Again I don’t remember seeing let’s spend it on the DUP instead written on the side of the bus.
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Despite them being rather objectionable, they are (I think!) 'conviction' politicians, who wouldn't let this drop for cash.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,984
clint van damme said:
Sweet lord
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He just claimed that the country should respect one party with paramilitary links as well hahaha!
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #33,985
Sick Boy said:
He just claimed that the country should respect one party with paramilitary links as well hahaha!
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Yes but on the right side of the fence traitor!!!
 
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