Don't think even Mart has done that. It's not the views being different that makes me think someone stupid, it's the view being stupid. If you voted Brexit because of immigration, you're ignoring that most comes from outside the EU and that we have just not exercised our ability to send immigrants back
So what have I said to do with this?
Yes absolutely none of it.
Just like all the leaders want to take power back from those who run the EU. It could and should be a lot better. Are you going to try and deny this? Because you are always at the front of the queue to have a go at those running the UK and at the front of the queue to defend the EU.
All leavers?
Of course not. But you like to twist it this way.
Yes Macron is the most pro EU out of all of them.I deny that all leaders want to take power back from the EU. It is simply not true. Ask Macron.
I have said we should be reforming the EU with our neighbours. What part of that don’t you understand?
Look back. The reason said for people voting leave was immigration. It certainly never said a part of the reason. But of course you will make out differently. It is all you ever do.No, according to polls it was one of the main reasons. That doesn’t mean „all leavers“. I have never claimed „all leavers“. Twisting yet again.
Numerous?
Nearly everything I said I could see happening has. And I haven't ever gone for the obvious.
So you don't understand what is Western Europe and what isn't Western Europe? Or are you just after the normal stupid point scoring?
Yes Macron is the most pro EU out of all of them.
EU must learn from Brexit 'trap' and reform, says French President Emmanuel Macron
Look back. The reason said for people voting leave was immigration. It certainly never said a part of the reason. But of course you will make out differently. It is all you ever do.
But most of his suggestions here would suggest again a centralization of powers at the expense of individual states.Yes Macron is the most pro EU out of all of them.
EU must learn from Brexit 'trap' and reform, says French President Emmanuel Macron
Cheese and wine?Like the UK having the upper hand because it buys wine and cheese you mean?
Point scoring? What are you on about? I’m just calling out your generalisations. As you posted last night I was drinking a pint of tap water which was superior to anything you’d get in the UK, oh and it was in Southern Europe.
So can you name the countries?
Power given back to the people?But most of his suggestions here would suggest again a centralization of powers at the expense of individual states.
Already wide concern over things like this in Visegrád group and others as well as the recent bilateral consensus between France and Germany over their approach to EU.
Even Junckers said EU had to pull back and let nation States govern
And as usual you miss out 99 out of 100 words and use the few left to prove a point your way.Yes he wants a fiscal union. Which means more power to the EU.
So immigration is now reduced to only one of the reasons. Progress.What are you on about? One of the reasons. Not the reason.
They must be lying....Point scoring? What are you on about? I’m just calling out your generalisations. As you posted last night I was drinking a pint of tap water which was superior to anything you’d get in the UK, oh and it was in Southern Europe.
So can you name the countries?
So immigration is now reduced to only one of the reasons. Progress.
The main reason was the lies. Can't believe you missed an opportunity to say so yourself.
And as usual you miss out 99 out of 100 words and use the few left to prove a point your way.
They must be lying....
Can You Drink the Tap Water in Europe?
In general, Western Europe has safe tap water and Eastern Europe is a place to be wary of the water.
Yes that was the article. And they all say similar.
You would think it was me who brought up drinking tap water and not a fellow remain at any cost. Why not question him?
be about the quickest way to break EU. Can't see Italy, Greece or Visegrad even bothering to put that to the testYes he wants a fiscal union. Which means more power to the EU.
Cheese and wine?
10 points for you for keep coming out with a stupid line.
They must be lying....
Can You Drink the Tap Water in Europe?
In general, Western Europe has safe tap water and Eastern Europe is a place to be wary of the water.
Yes that was the article. And they all say similar.
You would think it was me who brought up drinking tap water and not a fellow remain at any cost. Why not question him?
You mean some cities and districts are OK in some of the countries.It looks to me as though the majority of countries in the EU in Eastern Europe have safe drinking water then?
Cheese and wine?Hahaha you’re the one who used to go on about it, not me, so give yourself 100 points.
where do you think the roots of Brexit started?
Back then over 70% (far higher than current demand for 2nd referendum)wanted a referendum on Lisbon (which several other countries gave their voters). Another example where Parliament decided not to keep its election promises and decided the people did not warrant a say when they wanted one. Lead to lowest EU approval in UK of around 30% by 2010 and barely recovered to 37% when Cameron gambled on the referendum.
You can't seem to grasp that background to Brexit isn't some new phenomena created 3 years ago.Ah right. Gordon Brown press ganged Cameron into calling a referendum 6 years in the future
The result of the by-election will be interesting, yes.
be about the quickest way to break EU. Can't see Italy, Greece or Visegrad even bothering to put that to the test
Apathy?You can't seem to grasp that background to Brexit isn't some new phenomena created 3 years ago.
Historical apathy to Europe goes back much further on a cross party voter basis. 1975 referendum Labour was split on remaining in EEC. Labour conference in 1975 overwhelmingly voted to leave. 1983 election they campaigned on taking Britain out of Europe. In fact until Blair & new Labour came along Labour was basically an anti EEC party.
You can decry the calling of a referendum and ignore a general UK apathy towards the EU that has lasted basically up until the referendum was called. Where were all these passionate views on Europe in the 2014 European elections when only about 35% bothered to vote. Maybe this new found passion on the issue would have been better directed through the ballot box. Too many people have found the Euro religion far too late to make a difference.
Perhaps if Brown had kept Labour promise over a referendum we wouldn't be in this current situation.
Cameron and other politicians will be judged and found wanting as to how badly they read the British electorate - maybe they expected the usual antipathy of the British public and not the highly charged issue it turned into.
Brexit has always had a touch of inevitability about it just the Captain hindsight of today choose to ignore it and concentrate on blaming others rather than admitting they should have worked harder and longer about preventing a situation all parties have been responsible in creating.
You say apathy I say antipathy, lets give the whole thing up.Apathy?
You can't seem to grasp that background to Brexit isn't some new phenomena created 3 years ago.
Historical apathy to Europe goes back much further on a cross party voter basis. 1975 referendum Labour was split on remaining in EEC. Labour conference in 1975 overwhelmingly voted to leave. 1983 election they campaigned on taking Britain out of Europe. In fact until Blair & new Labour came along Labour was basically an anti EEC party.
You can decry the calling of a referendum and ignore a general UK apathy towards the EU that has lasted basically up until the referendum was called. Where were all these passionate views on Europe in the 2014 European elections when only about 35% bothered to vote. Maybe this new found passion on the issue would have been better directed through the ballot box. Too many people have found the Euro religion far too late to make a difference.
Perhaps if Brown had kept Labour promise over a referendum we wouldn't be in this current situation.
Cameron and other politicians will be judged and found wanting as to how badly they read the British electorate - maybe they expected the usual antipathy of the British public and not the highly charged issue it turned into.
Brexit has always had a touch of inevitability about it just the Captain hindsight of today choose to ignore it and concentrate on blaming others rather than admitting they should have worked harder and longer about preventing a situation all parties have been responsible in creating.
There aren’t many religiously devoted to the EU but what’s quite clear is that (Mrs May’s) Brexit is shit and I would rather stay than have it.
What has surprised me more is the real venom some have towards the EU (yourself included), as some horribly oppressive entity that has caused more harm than decades of neoliberalism and austerity. Then there is this growing trend of blaming Labour for Cameron’s mistake. The background is that Britain has always been a bit self righteous, a bit xenophobic and very static in its thinking.
So maybe Brexit was inevitable, even though we were warned in 75 that this would be political as well as economic union. But I think Britain needs to look itself in the mirror more than Europe
There aren’t many religiously devoted to the EU but what’s quite clear is that (Mrs May’s) Brexit is shit and I would rather stay than have it.
What has surprised me more is the real venom some have towards the EU (yourself included), as some horribly oppressive entity that has caused more harm than decades of neoliberalism and austerity. Then there is this growing trend of blaming Labour for Cameron’s mistake. The background is that Britain has always been a bit self righteous, a bit xenophobic and very static in its thinking.
So maybe Brexit was inevitable, even though we were warned in 75 that this would be political as well as economic union. But I think Britain needs to look itself in the mirror more than Europe
Let’s see who profits from Brexit. The old men walking along the coast following a well known bell end? No.
These people?The Disaster Capitalism Club: Vote Leave Backers Who Made Billions from Brexit
The most cringing bit of it all is those who go on about wanting to be an independent country and free of oppression. It’s like they’re completely out of touch with the country’s history and reality.
Let’s see who profits from Brexit. The old men walking along the coast following a well known bell end? No.
These people?The Disaster Capitalism Club: Vote Leave Backers Who Made Billions from Brexit
I know you are pro EU but that is a disgusting reference. What are you really trying to say Mart?...... No surprise that the killer in NZ supports Brexit....
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